<p>bigP, yeah its free, but it seems like it ends up taking longer than 4 years in total to complete a BA. Still not a bad deal, since you are paying 3 years of tuition versus 4 years of tuition (if, say, you graduate from DS and end up transferring to a 4-year with just a total of 1 year in credits).</p>
<p>But thethoughtprocess, if you transfer with just one year of credits, Deep Springs will pay for two years at the place you transfer to (up to 50K a year). So if you take three years after Deep Springs, you are paying for ONE YEAR TOTAL. not three.</p>
<p>I noticed that someone posted that a DS graduate went on to Princeton and graduated in 5 years total -- I was under the impression that Princeton did not take transfers at all -- so how would they have graduated from Princeton?</p>
<p>I agree -- I think it unlikely that students graduate from DS and their transfer school in 4 years. I think it even more unlikely that the kids who are interested and admitted to DS really care about that. It is a different school for a different type of student -- but it is important to understand how those differences will work once you are out in the world of regular colleges.</p>
<p>where did you see that DS will pay for an additional two years of college after leaving DS?</p>
<p>" noticed that someone posted that a DS graduate went on to Princeton and graduated in 5 years total -- I was under the impression that Princeton did not take transfers at all -- so how would they have graduated from Princeton?"</p>
<p>Because DS grads aren't your regular transfer students. They are considered elite scholars that surely would enhance the educational experience of more mainstream students.</p>
<p>To Thoughtprocess: As for the article mentioning lack of diversity...yes, it lacks diversity...however you somehow managed to parse out that bit on diversity and ignore the bits about best, brightest, richest, whitest, most select and kids(not A kid) turning down elite schools to attend. In short, these kids are the choosy ones not Harvard. These are the kids for whom no school is a reach.</p>
<p>You apparently missed the bit about early grads going off to be 'leaders', ie: senators and such but that lately, most are becoming academics.(Something the board is a bit worried about since leadership and service is what the school's supposed to be about)</p>
<p>Look, this is getting tiring. For those of you insisting credits won't transfer, schools won't accept students, and it's not really school because it's not mainstream you need to understand that all these links which you apparently aren't reading, are from many respected magazines, newspapers, and websites(Salon) that tend to fact check every now and then. On top of that you can crack open Fiske's, Peterson's and other guides and see it listed as most elite and it's grads going on to the very top schools mentioned here.</p>
<p>And until you can show that grads NEED to catch up when they transfer, I think we can also assume that more is happening than simply Harvard and company rejecting credits.</p>
<p>ramses 2 -- I think DS is a fantastic school -- I just wondered about Princeton. It would be interesting to find that they do make exceptions that that policy, I have never heard that before -- ever.</p>
<p>Hsmomstef, sorry if I sound cranky but honestly, unless we decide to call all these articles, journalists and school guides...not to mention DS themselves outright liars for 90+ years, I think we have to acknowledge that unusual as it might be....schools that normally do not usually accept transfers, do so for DS students.(And yes, Thethoughtprocess, they do so because they acknowlege the quality, not because they're caught up in some PC notion. For that matter, how could a small white school devoted to manly man things like slaughtering cows ever be considered a PC school? :) )</p>
<p>Rabban,</p>
<p>i am gay; sorry that you didn't see my sense of humor.</p>
<p>I think it sounds really interesting. Why is it an all-men's school? Or, is it just that women have yet to become accepted there?</p>
<p>I would consider applying there if I could. It sounds like lots of fun and intellectually stimulating. Talk about a small college atmosphere!</p>
<p>Deep Springs is awesome. I wanted to apply, but sadly I would not have fit in at all. There is a Deep Springs alumni in my area who goes to my neighboor's church. I don't know where he finished up his undergrad, but right now he is in graduate school at Oxford studying theology.</p>
<p>Sam Lee- i thought you were female, ha go figure.</p>
<p>ramses, its PC in the sense that people assume a school like Deep Springs offers a great intellectual experience and is super and all that. But in reality, top privates offer pretty much anything Deep Springs can offer, but much more. Sure, students can design their own courses. At most top privates, you can do the same. For example, I HAVE to design a course for myself with one of my professors for a degree requirement, against my will. However, the professors I have will stick around for more than a semester, and I have profs from every subject to choose from. And again, they only save 1 year of tuition yet sacrifice two years of social experience at a ranch (this is assuming they get their BA in 5 years).</p>
<p>Also, you are making it out that the kids who attend Deep Springs are academic super stars, whereas they are probably around as strong as the mid-range Ivy student. For example, one of your assumptions, that Deep Springs produces lots of senators and congressmen, and other people in positions of power? I really doubt that since someone who spends two years on a ranch setting instead of a normal top private college doesn't seem like the political type. I'm looking for a comprehensive alumni list, can't find one outside of Wikipedia.</p>
<p>"going to Deep Springs seems to really limited what you can accomplish in terms of pursuing a 4-year degree program"</p>
<p>perhaps, but if you look at the big picture, their graduates are so successful, i mean, if i was admitted, i just wouldn't worry about this because somehow it works out</p>
<p>Doubt all you like Thethoughtprocess. It's no skin off my back that you sniff at all the links from well respected sources and deem them assumptions and yet feel your own assumptions must be true simply because they're your own. That says far more about you than Deep Springs.</p>
<p>Ramses, what do you mean? Well-respected sources say they are very strong students, as good as an average top-private school admit. Do they say anything more than that? I think you are pretending I'm saying things that I'm not again.</p>
<p>Also, still looking for the list of Congressmen and Senators who went to Deep Springs.</p>
<p>I think both of you are saying the same basic things about Deep Springs -- so you might as well end the argument. </p>
<p>Deep Springs is an unusual school and definitely not the best "fit" for most students. For those students who do choose to attend, the experience is significant. I would be surprised to find many Congressmen and Senators that attended Deep Springs -- it just doesn't seem to be the type of school that attracts that type of person. I could easily see diplomats, leaders in NGOs, Leaders in the Peace Corps, Professors at top schools, etc as graduates of DS. Doesn't make it bad or good -- just different.</p>
<p>Deep Springs admits top students who could also be (and often are) admitted to ivies and other top 25 schools.</p>
<p>The academic program at Deep Springs is individualized and very unusual -- however, it seems to be well accepted when students transfer on to college. Most student transfer to ivies and top 25 schools after two years at Deep Springs.</p>
<p>Students transferring from Deep Springs may well need to take more than two years to complete an undergraduate degree -- especially if that degree is in certain fields (i.e. science, business, etc). Most likely, though, the combination of the type of students that Deep Springs admits and the fact that Deep Springs is free means that those students admitted to DS don't really care about this.</p>
<p>and it is quite clear, from the comments made, that DS would not be a good fit for thethoughtprocess -- while ramses might enjoy the experience.</p>
<p>My oldest son will most likely apply to DS -- but then, he is an unusual kid. His interests are theology, ethics and International Studies -- and yes, he will also apply to ivies and top 25 schools and may choose Deep Springs over them. I will tell you that I would never fit into a school like that -- but having choices is great.</p>
<p>A friend of mine is heading there this year. It takes a very particular sort to want to go, but he's an awesome guy. And for anecdotal evidence: He's a very strong student, not sure about his EC's, probably could've gotten in to most of the upper ivies, maybe HYPS.</p>
<p>Ramses is a mom :)</p>
<p>Who wouldn't slaughter a cow even if it meant I'd win a Rhodes.</p>
<p>For what it's worth, I started in this thread saying I'd heard the school produced people in leadership. I mentioned hearing/reading about senators, judges and the like.(Thethoughtprocess repeatedly asserts I placed more emphasis on this....I believe this is merely how Thethoughtprocess 'debates')</p>
<p>The school however was in fact started to produce leaders and students devoted to service. Now in at least two links we've had mentions of senators(though only one current one is named), judges, and diplomats.Not a huge amount but one should keep in mind the size of the school. One of those links also discusses how the school is concerned that it's producing less leaders these days, unlike in many years past.(To me this seems to back up that DS has in fact produced some senators and the like....and no Thethoughtprocess, I'm not about to dig into senate history for you) I will say that a quick scan through the board and companies supplying funding supports the argument that this school is rather well connected.</p>
<p>In short, this school remains a wise academic destination for some of the best and brightest. Not all, but then nobody ever argued so.</p>
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<p>thethoughtprocess,</p>
<p>I think I am more manly than you!</p>
<p>ramses 2,
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<p>In fact, the number looks disporportionally large. Very impressive!</p>
<p>lol Sam Lee, I said I thought you were female because you said you liked Brokeback Mountain...so I thought you meant how the guys in the film looked</p>