<p>I'm a radical atheist too. Go us, Tritium! :D</p>
<p>Science is interesting, religion is good in the sense that it teaches the younger generation moral values, but in the end, we must admit that us lowly humans simply don't know for sure. Because modern science is constantly changing as new information is recieved, and religion has no real proof, neither one is a reliable source.</p>
<p>"Everyday signs of His existence."</p>
<p>Yes, 1000-year-old trees exist. That means they must've gotten there somehow. Did the Christian God plant the seeds? Or was it Allah? Did the seeds somehow develop from a single particle? Or did they get there in some way we can't even imagine? Who knows? I don't claim to.</p>
<p>Woo hoo! More Converts! :P</p>
<p>agnostic</p>
<p>atheism requires just as much faith as religion</p>
<p>and being agnostic doesn't?</p>
<p>no</p>
<p>how does thinking that there is no proof either way require faith</p>
<p>religion requires faith obviously because one has to have faith that god exists.</p>
<p>purely believing in science requires the faith that certain principles (such as the laws of physics) will continue to hold true in the future.</p>
<p>neither of these beliefs really have any rational reasoning behind them.</p>
<p>this is probably a bad way of explaining it but i'm not the best at explaining things</p>
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Did the Christian God plant the seeds? Or was it Allah?
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um... that's the same God.</p>
<p>Fine, Buddha. the point still stands.</p>
<p>Yup, according to TritriumKnight's definition, I'm a radical atheist as well :D. So sorry, no, no God.</p>
<p>^ Haha. I think we could tell by your username.</p>
<p>Pascal's Wager, my friends. You are completely right; us lowly humans will never know. Therefore, I do not want to take a chance.</p>
<p>Be grateful I am not like the indignant evangelicals around me here in Tennessee. Jeesh.</p>
<p>I don't believe in any organized religion because I just can't reconcile them with science and the world around me. Couldn't an all-powerful being have stopped the 9/11 attacks? For that matter, why couldn't God have created humans to be perfect if He is truly capable of anything? If any one of these religions is correct, then why is there so much strife in the world? Perhaps there is some greater force out there, but no way is God the loving, all-seeing, almighty overseer that the major religions say He is.</p>
<p>but pascal's wager only works with a judeo-christian god. what if god exists, but he is such that he will let you into heaven if you are a good person, even if you don't believe in him? you are not guaranteed to go to hell if there is a god and you don't believe in him.</p>
<p>More than that, Pascal's Wager presents pragmatic reasons, not actual evidence. If I say, "I'll break your arm unless you concede that there are tiny green chipmunks on Pluto," you'll probably concede that there are tiny green chipmunks on Pluto. But you've conceded so under threat. The only thing I've proved is that you don't want your arm broken; I haven't given you any actual evidence as to the existence of anything.</p>
<p>Bad example, but you get the point. Under Pascal's Wager you keep your bases covered, at the cost of ignoring the true contents of the universe.</p>
<p>gnrfan...the Bible says that God did create us as perfest beings but then we screwd it up.....hence strife.</p>
<p>sorry i spelled perfect and screwed wrong</p>
<p>quaere, as far as i know, the point of pascal's wager is not to prove anything or provide actual evidence for god's existence, just to attempt to show that it will be better for you if you believe in god. in fact, it explicitly states that one cannot prove that god exists or that god exists, but that one must nonetheless choose whether to believe in god or not to do so. though, that in itself provides a problem, because you are not believing in god out of faith to him, just out of a selfish attempt to help yourself. i dunno how god would feel about that</p>
<p>But if the question is "Is God real?", then Pascal's Wager isn't relevant, because it deals with the question of whether or not to believe.</p>
<p>i know, just sayin. i didn't bring it up in the first place</p>
<p>i believe in cosmology.</p>