<p>Dems won control of the House! I am so ecstatic! Now for '08...</p>
<p>We'll see about '08. Let's just say that the Democrats have a religion problem.</p>
<p>Actually Dem's seem to not care about Religion unlike some other people.</p>
<p>Why are you people so PARTISAN???</p>
<p>I am actually curious Fides, what don't you like about the Dem's stance on religion? I am actually a moderate Republican but thought that the Dems stance was mainly "we don't care what you believe, but don't try to legislate morals" what about separation of church and state don't you like?</p>
<p>Majority in the Senate as well... nice...</p>
<p>the end times are coming. cant say im too upset.</p>
<p>The dem's problem with religion is that they don't court the evangelical nutjobs. And there are a lot of evangelical nutjobs. The overall percentage of strongly religious people is still on the decline, but the ones that remain are getting...nutjobbier. Plus, a larger percentage of the group vote than the population overall.</p>
<p>Still, the dems seemed to have gained in even this community, so who knows.</p>
<p>"Actually Dem's seem to not care about Religion unlike some other people."</p>
<p>Which is their problem. Which often translates into the Democrats pushing policy that offends and disgusts religious people. Which then translates into religious people not voting for them. See the problem?</p>
<p>"The dem's problem with religion is that they don't court the evangelical nutjobs. And there are a lot of evangelical nutjobs. The overall percentage of strongly religious people is still on the decline, but the ones that remain are getting...nutjobbier. Plus, a larger percentage of the group vote than the population overall."</p>
<p>No, it is that the Democratic Party has abandoned traditional Judeo-Christian morality for an aggressively secular one, with some very anti-religious overtones. It isn't just "evangelical nutjobs" who are going to punish them at the polls for it. It is any Jew, Christian, or Muslim who is being honest with his or her faith.</p>
<p>And in what ways does being strongly religious equal "nutjob"? As a religious person I find that highly offensive and discriminatory. It is largely this very attitude toward religious persons that makes people of faith shy away from today's Democratic Party. Can you blame them? Democrats like you are effectively calling them idiots for being who they are.</p>
<p>"No, it is that the Democratic Party has abandoned traditional Judeo-Christian morality for an aggressively secular one, with some very anti-religious overtones."</p>
<p>How has this been shown?
Are Republicans truly more moral?
Remember, they got the US into an unjustified war that caused thousands of deaths by lying to everybody. They detaine and lock people in GITMO without pressing charges or allowing them access to an attorney. They stole 2 presidential elections. They illegally tap their citizens' phones... If that's moral, well...</p>
<p>You are making some very biased, refutable claims there. I don't believe that the war was unjustified, I don't believe that the situation at Gitmo is unjust, I don't believe that they stole two presidential elections, and I don't believe that the wiretapping was illegal -- a great many people don't, on all counts. Yet you present these claims as fact; that the only possible way of looking at them is your way.</p>
<p>Why do Democrats always argue like this? You simply make sweeping assumptions and assertions about matters of which a diverse body of opinion and viewpoints exist, in an attempt to disarm your opponent before he has even heard your argument. Many may be fooled by this ploy, but I am not one of them.</p>
<p>It's not even worth arguing with radical republicans most of the time - you might as well be trying to convince Bill O'Reilly that the republicans aren't perfect and moral, and that religion doesn't belong in government. </p>
<p>At least the voters finally went away from the far-right agenda, so hopefully things will improve.</p>
<p>Haha! The leader of the Evangelical BS Association --one of Bush's top aides, mind you- has admitted to "some" meth use and paying for sex....all that, besides being married with, like, 9 kids. </p>
<p>Fides, if this doesn't tell you something about the --should I say, coincidental?- correlation between evangelicals and nutjobs...well, maybe you're one of 'em too. </p>
<p>It's time for a new America. </p>
<p>PS- an American flag has no place in a church.</p>
<p>Haha! The leader of the Evangelical BS Association --one of Bush's top aides, mind you- has admitted to "some" meth use and paying for sex....all that, besides being married with, like, 9 kids. </p>
<p>Fides, if this doesn't tell you something about the --should I say, coincidental?- correlation between evangelicals and nutjobs...well, maybe you're one of 'em too. </p>
<p>It's time for a new America. None of that "Moral Majority" crap. </p>
<p>PS- an American flag has no place in a church.</p>
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No, it is that the Democratic Party has abandoned traditional Judeo-Christian morality for an aggressively secular one, with some very anti-religious overtones. It isn't just "evangelical nutjobs" who are going to punish them at the polls for it. It is any Jew, Christian, or Muslim who is being honest with his or her faith.
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<p>What about those that are not Jewish, Christian, or Muslim?</p>
<p>The Democrats don't represent other religious people, either. What they represent is Godless heathens and moral relativists.</p>
<p>Why is moral relativism bad?
I believe you are free to think whatever you want of the way I behave, but why would you have a saying on it as long as it doesn't affect you?
Does gay people marrying affects you in any way? Does stem-cell research, when thousends of fertilized embrions are disposed everyday at fertility clinics?
By the way, you aren't giving any arguments. You are just stating a fact over which there are many possible views on as if yours were the only possible way to see things. Guess that's not a democrat's monopoly.
And you fail to tell us why is it bad for them not to represent religious values. As long as you are free to practice your religion, why you should have a right to impose your values on anyone else?</p>
<p>Why is moral relativism bad?</p>
<p>Because I believe that there are moral absolutes; there are things in the world that are absolutely right and absolutely wrong, totally good and totally bad. Unlike you and seemingly the majority of liberals, I have thought these things through for myself and I have established a defined set of morals and values. Lucky me, they happen to be the same morals and values that Western civilization -- including America -- has lived and flourished under for 2,000 years. I'm not "imposing" anything on anyone; YOU are. You and people like you are trying to change my civilization's morality to fit yours, or more to the point, your lack thereof. You are the one who is imposing.</p>
<p>Does gay people marrying affects you in any way? Does stem-cell research, when thousends of fertilized embrions are disposed everyday at fertility clinics?"</p>
<p>Yes. These things affect my culture -- I assert, for the worse -- and therefore they affect me.</p>
<p>"I find that highly offensive and discriminatory"</p>
<p>It was meant to be. A little spirtuality is a good and necessary thing. But mindless obssession over a random set of statements is nothing to be proud off.</p>