<p>SAT's are correlated to IQ's, BUT SAT's measure knowledge and application, NOT intelligence. So it doesn't F******* matter if Einstein gets a low score on it or not.</p>
<p>Wow I don't know who khoitrinh and shimoi think they are. People don't appreciate ****** bags. </p>
<p>1) I seriously suggest you two go to Jstor and look up some articles on the prevalence of SAT trained communities. There are some schools in the United States and across the world that literally average a 2000 SAT, with most moderately high IQ students (120+) scoring from 2100-2400. If you think that I am lying, you are in for a harsh reality when you finally attend an ivy league school or one of comparable prestige. Certain schools DOMINATE ivy league admissions. </p>
<p>2) I know tons of kids who have admitted to cheating on the SAT. Obviously students can take advantage of the test's format. As such procedurally, the test cannot be considered to a be all end all in a student's intelligence capacity. How do we know you (shiomi and khoitrinh) didn't cheat? </p>
<p>3) If SAT were an absolute determinant of IQ, then students would not be able to study for it. I know several students who were in the gifted program at my high school and achieved IQ test scores of 140+ who achieved 2050 (1380 or so) without study. Some other kids who are not nearly as intelligent in terms of grades or IQ (not in the gifted program), do no extracurriculars, and have little to no social life all achieved similar scores with 500 + hours of studying. Thus SAT is correlative, but it can be beaten into the 97-98th percentile. </p>
<p>Preempt- Before yall start telling me to post my score report, I would like to say that I worked up from a 169 on my sophomore PSAT to a 2140 SAT (1st try). I am fairly certain I have earned somewhere between a 2250 and a 2350 on the SAT this time.</p>
<p>I was also in the gifted program. Had I not studied my ass off, I could have been dead meat. Correlations are NOT normative.</p>
<p>WE DID NOT SAY THAT SATS ARE COMPLETELY DETERMINANT OF IQ. Please learn English or get out of this forum because your stupidity is showing again.</p>
<p>You are the ****** bag here. Have YOU seen anyone with an IQ of 80 or so score 2000+? Have you seen anyone with an IQ of 120 score less than 1400? That generally does not happen. Why doesn't it happen? Because IQ and test scores are linked. So before you show any more of your stupidity, please look up the definition of correlation, or take some elementary level statistics class.</p>
<p>Are the SATs beatable? Yes they are, but only by people who have the ability to beat them. If you graphed everyones IQ vs their SAT score, so you truly think that it would be random, or will it be semi-linear?</p>
<p>And last, you were in the gifted class and you scores 2100+ on your SAT. You see anyone in your school's special ed class scoring 2100+? No. That just doesn't happen.</p>
<p>Yes, there will be average students who score decently well on the SAT and there will be gifted students who score only average on the SAT, but that is because the tests are imperfect, it does not mean that it is a bad indicator of ability.</p>
<p>And who do I think I am? I KNOW I am better than you. There is no point in arguing with me. I am narcissistic but that does not make me wrong.</p>
<p>"2) I know tons of kids who have admitted to cheating on the SAT. Obviously students can take advantage of the test's format. As such procedurally, the test cannot be considered to a be all end all in a student's intelligence capacity. How do we know you (shiomi and khoitrinh) didn't cheat?"</p>
<p>-If someone cheated on an IQ test it also wouldn't be an accurate reflection of their intellectual capacity.</p>
<p>"3) If SAT were an absolute determinant of IQ, then students would not be able to study for it."</p>
<p>-I'm sure if people spent many hours prepping for IQ tests their scores would go up there as well. That's pretty much true of any test.</p>
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<p>I had plenty of friends in H.S. with IQs of 135+ who scored a CR+M composite of <1400.</p>
<p>It's merely the matter that people with high IQs are capable of doing very well on the SAT, but not all of them have the training and experience necessary to do well on a 4 hour multiple choice exam.</p>
<p>There are many people with badly stocked bag of tricks. Very smart but never bothered to learn much. That's why there is quite a difference between dumb and ignorant.</p>
<p>I repeat: Why are people assuming that you can't train and improve your IQ, just as you can your SAT score. It is a fact that problem solving ability and overal cognitive functions can be drastically improved with mental exercise. The idea that we are born and stuck with a quantifiable level of intelligence is a very backward notion.</p>
<p>No test, including the heralded IQ test, can be a perfect measure of intelligence. The test-taker's performance is subject to a myriad of variables unrelated to their academic prowess (how much sleep they had, how they have eaten, etc.) That being said, the standards we use are somewhat good indicators, and there is a decent correlation between good test scores and occupational success (work ethic may be a confounding factor). </p>
<p>In short, test scores mean something. Not everything, but something. We should try not to take these tests too seriously; since often intangible qualities are the most important, but we shouldn't dismiss them altogether either. People typically find themselves at one extreme end of the spectrum based on how well they think they did. Some who fancy their score believe it to be ultimate proof of their intellectual superiority, while others may be demoralized by their score. I urge you not to do either of these two things; as they are both potentially harmful mindsets. Your sat score is a snapshot of an instantaneous point in time; future success should be one's main concern.</p>
<p>Well said JJJJ. I believe i've already settled this on the second page? Why are people still bumping this? Seriously, stop.</p>
<p>Right. I don't even speak English, but I can easily get a 2100+. That doesn't make me a genius but make you and your tests look ridiculous.</p>
<p>That's why they got the ACT....</p>
<p>HELLO</p>