<p>like i said, you need to expand the definition of ivy, at least in this thread, to top lac’s and universities. i think the point that many of the individuals here are trying to make is that the smartest kids could end up at state universities or small unknown schools, and that theyll end up just as succesful. I personally dont disagree, but i do think that the concentration of intellect is much much higher at these top universities than anywhere else; the level of intellect is a reflection on the student body</p>