<p>Jesus was a god my ass. He got owned by by Romans!</p>
<p>If Bill Cosby was God, then I don't think Justinian would laugh at you. </p>
<p>He/She is arguing that Christ was God, and therefore should be worshipped. Not that Christ was man, and that we should worship man.</p>
<p>Well, I am arguing the same thing. I am telling you that Cosby is g-d's manifestation in a mortal form. Have you ever watched his acts? his humor is divine.</p>
<p>It's all a matter of belief. Who's to say that your belief is more correct than mine? do you have proof of Jesus's divinity?</p>
<p>The argument you make is funny to the point of absurdity. </p>
<p>The analogy you draw between Cosby and Christ is false because they are not parallel cases at all.</p>
<p>FountainSiren,</p>
<p>Why are they not parallel cases?</p>
<p>Do I have proof of Jesus' divinity? </p>
<p>Some people believe it on faith, other's use metaphysical arguments, others cite the numerous and similar documentations of various historical accounts in the New Testament. </p>
<p>Another argument runs like this: either Christ was a great moral teacher, or an absolute nut. He was a great moral teacher. Great moral teachers do not lie. Christ did not lie (when claiming to be God...). </p>
<p>These are all logical arguments that may or may not have their flaws. Arguments on the opposing side may or may not have their flaws too. </p>
<p>To say "it's all a matter of belief" is absolutely true, because you can't believe something that you don't believe to be true. Just try it. But some people do believe that Christ was God. Other's do not (Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc...). Yet, all have beautiful philosophies and teachings. Christianity, too. So let's be more respectful of all systems of traditional transcendental belief.</p>
<p>By the way, I'm not Christian.</p>
<p>Barring the dissemblance of time and space, they are not parallel cases because Cosby never claimed to be God, Cosby was never persecuted the way Christ was, Christ wasn't a wealthy celebrity comedian and Cosby's status as a moral teacher doesn't quite match that of Christ's. Among other things.</p>
<p>Moreover, Cosby believes Christ is God/son of God. God cannot lie. Therefore Cosby is not God.</p>
<p>Whatever. Jesus was only one of the nuts who claimed to be the savior. Many people during that time were opressed, crucified, etc. Doesn't make them any more divine or holy than any other man.</p>
<p>But none other during that time is considered to be as great a moral teacher as Christ was. That's a huge difference because we typically don't think that moral sages are "nuts" or "loonies."</p>
<p>I can tell you are not a christian, since the arguments you cite are quite inaccurate. </p>
<p>First off, Jesus never explicitly said he was g-d. The closest he ever got to doing this, the New Testament describes, is when Pontius Pilate asked him whether he was g-d, and he answered "you said so, not I"</p>
<p>Second, the fact that different accounts in the New Testament are strikingly simmilar is the worst argument one could make. The authors of these accounts all knew each other for christ's sake (oops, I meant for Cosby's sake). </p>
<p>I agree with you, though, when you contend that all religions should be respected and revered for their moral tone. I a merely posing this challenge to Christianity to demonstrate that this religion is in no way superior. I am simply a bit angered at christians for teh whole "non-Christians go to hell" thing. I highly doubt a man will burn in an eternal inferno for simply who failing to eat crackers and drink some wine.</p>
<p>Jesus: I and my father are one. John 10:29.</p>
<p>"I and my father are one" does not mean:
"I and my father, who is g-d, are one"</p>
<p>Regarding the New Testament:</p>
<p>No one has ever seriously doubted that Jesus was a great moral teacher; equally, no one has seriously doubted that the history of Christianity understood Christ to be God. There are no accounts to the contrary in the historical record. The only dispute was whether or not Christ was God while man on earth and whether or not he was fully man and fully God while on earth.</p>
<p>Of course no one seriously doubted that. Jesus's divinity is the very foundation of Christianity!</p>
<p>My point was that Christianity does not claim that Jesus proclaimed himself the son of g-d; his followers and disciples did.</p>
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My father causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous [...]your heavenly Father is perfect.
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<p>Unless Christ's father was a delusional weatherman, thinking that he causes the weather rather than reporting it, we can safely assume Jesus believed he was God.</p>
<p>Touche, touche (-:</p>
<p>I am not a Christian (I am a Cosbian), so my knowledge of their theology isn't that solid either. When I get to college I'll study it a little bit, I hope.</p>
<p>God cannot lie.</p>
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<p>Oh really? And you are so sure of his inability to lie how?</p>
<p>Because apparently you can prove the divinity of Jesus through logic and rhetoric. Note the false choices- Jesus didn't have to be a nut or a moral teacher. He could have been something else, totally. And whats to say he was moral? What did he teach that was moral? Sacrificing yourself for god or your fellow man? Iran and USSR sure proved his morality to be very pragmatic.</p>
<p>Lighten up Bobo--</p>
<p>In the religions at hand (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc...) I am not aware of any concept of God which includes the qualities of Deception or Dishonesty.</p>
<p>The nature of God is shrouded in mystery, so "am I so sure?" Nah...I concede "that there are things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in" my philosophy.</p>
<p>w1cked,</p>
<p>If Jesus claimed to be moral teacher and the son of God, but was not (as you claim), then he must have been delusional (or, a nut).</p>
<p>And go back to my op on the subject--I concede that logical arguments from both sides may or may not be flawed, depending on the argument. I was just laying out the more common one's for orrican.</p>