The timing of it all.....

<p>I am hoping someone can shed their experiences on the timing of things when it comes to Music Majors. My son is currently a junior and is visiting schools. We went to one open house that was 4 hours away on a day that he had off from school and we have two visitation days scheduled for weekends at places less then 2 hours away.</p>

<p>My question is how did you all handle the visits/audtions at schools that were further away. He has a few schools he wants to visit that are about 400 miles away. Should I take him out of school junior year to visit. Should we just make it a summer trip. Or should we wait to visit these places until the actual audition dates during his senior year?? If we do wait until the audition dates to visit the schools, do you have to have applied to the school prior to audtioning?? His school only allows for 3 days for college visits per year.</p>

<p>Ugh, I am confused on how to get it all done!!! love to hear your thoughts!</p>

<p>A sampling of the collective wisdom. Take a peek through these:</p>

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<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/666769-visits-sample-lesson-parent-student.html?highlight=visits[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/666769-visits-sample-lesson-parent-student.html?highlight=visits&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/323200-visits-begin-north-carolina-music-depts.html?highlight=visits[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/323200-visits-begin-north-carolina-music-depts.html?highlight=visits&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/288266-preliminary-visits-junior.html?highlight=visits[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/288266-preliminary-visits-junior.html?highlight=visits&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/242501-visits-lessons.html?highlight=visits[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/242501-visits-lessons.html?highlight=visits&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/558178-music-school-visits.html?highlight=visits[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/558178-music-school-visits.html?highlight=visits&lt;/a&gt;, an ongoing collection of visit recaps and observations.</p>

<p>I would not recommend summer visits, as few music programs are fully active, faculty tend to be away with other festival, performance or teaching obligations, the campus/student body has a different feel than during the academic year. Might be ok if you were passing through an area, and just wanted a down and dirty “look/see” in terms of campus layout, location, or first impression.</p>

<p>So much is dictated by family scheduling and financial issues that the way one family handles it may not work for another.</p>

<p>Really, there is no right and wrong way. There are some ways that are better than others, but when your son finally gets to school, he is going to be among kids that did everything by the book, and kids who didn’t do any of it.</p>

<p>(I’ll slip in what we did in parenthesis after each question, as my goal is to show that different things work for different situations.)</p>

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<p>You can. Have you had your spring break yet? You may be able to visit one or two of the furthest away during spring break. Call in advance to try to schedule a sample lesson or meeting with faculty. You didn’t mention instrument, so I’m speaking generally.</p>

<p>You may find that your own plans for family vacations get put on a back burner during junior and senior years, unless your dream vacation is visiting college towns.</p>

<p>(My H and S2 visited Juilliard junior year during spring break. My D didn’t visit anywhere until senior year, because we lived abroad.)</p>

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<p>You can. Many music teachers teach at summer festivals, so if your goal is to meet the teacher, you may have to go someplace other than the school. If your goal is to see the school, be aware that many schools scale things way down during the summers. Fewer students, fewer dorms open.</p>

<p>(I took S2 to visit CCM during the summer. We were able to meet up with the teacher and S2 got a lesson. The teacher gave us a tour. The place was mostly empty, but we did feel we got a good idea. S2 also visited NEC during the summer. He’d hoped to meet two different teachers, but one was on the opposite coast for the summer. This tour didn’t go so well - dorms were shut up and locked, and there was some construction or building maintenance going on, so we didn’t see much at all. S2 also had visited Curtis a couple summers earlier when S1 was visiting UPenn. Never had a teacher lesson there, nor at Juilliard.)</p>

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<p>During auditions, many schools have tours and information sessions available for the parents while the students are auditioning. The students themselves may find themselves too busy or not want the distraction. Teachers are occasionally available for lessons or meetings, but I wouldn’t count on it.</p>

<p>(My D’s teacher did meet up with us after her audition at Miami U Ohio, and showed us around campus. It was my D’s second visit, but my first. I got a tour of Juilliard during S’s audition, but he was too busy. No tours at Curtis during auditions.)</p>

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<p>Many schools hold auditions on weekends. Yes, you must apply prior to auditioning. Different schools have different processes, but a very general one is that you apply in the fall, in some cases with a pre-screening CD. About January or so they contact you with an audition date and time. January through early March are the bulk of the auditions.</p>

<p>You may want to look at the school calendar and see when teacher workdays are. Our school district has one Monday a month off. You may be able to arrange visits around scheduled days off.</p>

<p>The other question is, what is the penalty for missing more than 3 days? Is it something you can live with? You may find that the rule in writing is flexible if you talk to the right people in advance. “Visiting” schools may be one thing, “auditioning” may be another, with different rules.</p>

<p>(My D did all her visits on weekends and Mondays in the fall. All her auditions were on weekends as well. She missed the week of Thanksgiving (2 or 3 days - can’t remember) and we were able to visit 4 schools in PA and OH during that time. My D and my S both auditioned for one school apiece by DVD. Both were accepted at those schools as well.)</p>

<p>You can read BassDad’s Music Major thread, stickied above, for more insight on the process. And read through the current audition experience thread, too.</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>We did all of our visits during the junior year. Every day off from school - fall break, spring break, voting holiday, everything was a school visit. We only did one summer visit which was to the west coast and we tied that into a summer vacation. I really couldn’t imagine going thru the application process without having visited and taken lessons. But then I’m OCD. We weeded out half of the schools this way. D has a good vision of where she wants to be and why at this point. “I can see myself as a part of this environment for the next 4 years of my life.”</p>

<p>Use school breaks/long weekends this year as much as possible- even if you have to take an extra day or two.
When he is a Senior, you will most likely go over the allotted 3 days, because school administration will probably not make a distinction between “college visits” and “music school auditions”. Our school had a similar policy and my D missed way more, especially Sr. year- both for visits (we did some, not all Jr. year), and auditions- not all are on the weekends, even if they are, it is advisable to arrive early. I copied an email to the principal and all her teachers (twice- once to alert them that she would be missing extra days, and once later when we knew the actual audition schedule), advising them of the days she would be out and saying, in effect, that I was sorry she would have these “unexcused” absences, but this is the way music admissions work and there’s nothing I can do about it! As well as, of course, saying she would make up work, get things in on time etc. Turned out it was not a problem, nor was she ever penalized in any way that I could tell. I think a polite parental heads-up can ward off most potential problems!</p>

<p>Just for auditions - we have missed 8 days of school. On top of that she missed 5 days for YoungArts. I gave a list up front to the vice principal for the days she wouldn’t be at school and they were great. HOWEVER, each teacher is allowed to set their own rules for make-up work. One teacher is not cooperative and has penalized my child extensively. So even though the administration can be very understanding, be sure each teacher is on your team, too.</p>

<p>Because we were on the west coast, we hadn’t visited most schools before auditions. My son had a ten day audition trip, missing eight days of school, and just dud homework on flights. While he didn’t do any lessons on campus, we definitely were able to get a great feel for campuses and towns during our visits, mostly without official tours. If he had been uncertain after acceptances came in, we might have let him do an Accepted Students event, but it was unneccessary.</p>

<p>Ditto what SJTH said. We are also west coast and did not visit any schools prior to auditioning (although he did a summer program at one school), nor did we do sample lessons (I think they are far more “standard” with classical than jazz). He had specific geographic concerns (in or near a large city, east or west coast) and we wanted to see where he’d be invited to audition. As for missing school, we made a chart of the potential dates and let the school know way in advance. He missed about 8 days as well, but in two trips.</p>

<p>We’ve only heard from one school so far (a yes), so we’ll see how our planned worked in a few weeks.</p>

<p>Thanks so much for the input. It is all so overwhelming to me!! We have lost most of our spring break this year due to snow make up days and I think the only other day they have off this year is the day of the Prom. And since my son has a date for that I don’t think that he is gonna want to travel!! Spring is big time Jazz Festival season around here (we are in Pa) and because of that going away is gonna be tough. </p>

<p>Just as an FYI, my junior son is a sax player who wants to do music ed and possiblely elementary ed as well.</p>

<p>We have visited Mansfield in Pa and he really liked that. Next up locally is Lebonnan Valley. He really wants to make a trip to Elon as well. </p>

<p>I am sure you all will be seeing panic posting from me over the next year!!!</p>

<p>One more thought. You may want to check and see if any of the schools that end up on your son’s list have “early action.” This is not the same as early decision. ED is binding - if you get in, you must promise to attend, and withdraw all other applications. But “early action” allows you to apply early, and get your results sooner than usual, with no “promises” from you about attending. For my D, it was Allegheny College in PA that gave us the news a bit earlier. </p>

<p>Having a viable option in the bag early might mean you can cancel later auditions at schools that you didn’t like as well. That can cut down on the number of absences.</p>

<p>Schmee33, two saxophone professors from Univ of North Carolina-Greensboro are on the faculty of Hartwick College Summer Music Festival in Oneonta, NY. UNCG School of Music (600 music students and great facilities) is definitely worth checking out, especially for MusEd.</p>

<p>Thanks for the UNCG tip…definately looking into esp, if we are making the trip to Elon!!</p>

<p>Schmee, if there was one thing I could recommend, in hindsight, it would be to take lessons with as many prospective teachers as possible junior year. Expensive, yes. Time consuming, yes. The payoff, however, is that 1. you will be able to know immediately if your child can work with that teacher, and 2. the teachers will be able to see the improvement in your child’s playing from junior to senior year auditions, especially if you sent him/her off to a camp or something over the intervening summer. This strategy worked very well in my daughter’s favor. Several teachers did comment on her great improvements since they had last met. Two of them have admitted her, the rest…we WAIT.</p>

<p>If your son is into jazz and music ed then I would strongly suggest looking at Duquesne U in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has a great jazz scene and the music ed program at Duquesne is very strong. Not sure that Penn State has a strong jazz program but it is strong for Music Ed and is a very small school (only 350 kids) in a very large university. Temple would be another PA college to look at that is strong in Jazz and Music Ed along with Rowan in NJ that is not far from PA border.</p>

<p>I’ll echo Marjecat’s comments about lessons during junior year, and even early senior year.<br>
DS had lessons with everyone in advance of auditions. Unlike other instruments, the sax audition is not with a panel. Each of DS’s auditions was with the applied professor only. They all remembered him from the sample lesson. In some cases, he got an early indication that he would be probably be accepted to the school. Some commented on how much he improved over time.</p>

<p>Hi Mom4989 and Everyone,</p>

<p>A saxophone audition was only heard by the sax prof? Was that for classical or jazz? My son is a junior in high school and we need to visit campuses and get lessons from faculty.</p>

<p>So my son and I will hit the road to check out schools for Jazz Studies April 5-9. We’ll go to University of Illinois at Urbana, Indiana University, Ohio State U.</p>

<p>What other schools should we try to visit?</p>

<p>Any feedback on Capital University in Columbus, Ohio?</p>

<p>Thanks, Jazzmom2553</p>

<p>Very strange about no panel! My son is a jazz guitarist, but during his recent round of college auditions he went in to panels before and after several sax players, meaning they auditioned before a panel as well. And at NYU, all the jazz instruments auditioned together in a cool “jam session” type thing (taking turns “calling” tunes).</p>

<p>All of DS auditions were classical; in each case, he played for only for the studio professor. He is a music ed major. Most schools require that educators study classical sax. OSU is the exception, and the jazz sax program is excellent. </p>

<p>Take a look at Capital if you have time. It went off our list early on because of the dorms and the lack of a great vegetarian option. No matter how great the music program is, you need to consider the whole package. </p>

<p>I’d do some research on Otterbein, Baldwin Wallace, Ohio University, Miami of Ohio, Wittenberg. All are in the same region. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>One more thought…</p>

<p>For Jazz sax, take a look at Duquesne University.</p>

<p>You might want to take a look at Oberlin while you’re in Ohio. They have a great new jazz facility that they just finished this year.</p>