The TRUE Top 25 Universities in the US

<ol>
<li> Harvard University<br></li>
<li> Stanford University </li>
<li> Massachusetts Institute of Technology </li>
<li> Columbia University<br></li>
<li> Yale University </li>
<li> University of Michigan </li>
<li> University of Pennsylvania<br></li>
<li> University of Chicago </li>
<li> Cornell University </li>
<li>University of California, Berkeley </li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin </li>
<li>Northwestern University </li>
<li>Duke University </li>
<li>New York University </li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles<br></li>
<li>Princeton University<br></li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University </li>
<li> University of Southern California </li>
<li>University of Virginia<br></li>
<li> ** Texas A&M University**<br></li>
<li>University of Notre Dame </li>
<li>Emory University </li>
<li>Washington University in St Louis </li>
<li>Rice University </li>
<li>Vanderbilt University </li>
</ol>

<p>My goal was to find the most well-rounded and influential universities given the following criteria. One point was given for possessing each criterion.</p>

<ol>
<li>Top 200 University in the World according to THE
Top</a> Universities in North America 2011-2012</li>
<li>Top 25 University in regards to Nobel affiliated with university
List</a> of Nobel laureates by university affiliation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</li>
<li>Top 25 University for undergraduate education according to US News
Best</a> Colleges | Find the Best College for You | US News Education</li>
<li>Being a member of AAU
Association</a> of American Universities</li>
<li>Top 25 College football team of all time
College</a> Football: Power Ranking the Top 50 Programs of All Time | Bleacher Report</li>
<li>Top 16 College basketball team of all time
College</a> Basketball: Power Ranking the Top 50 Men's Programs of All Time | Bleacher Report</li>
<li>Top 14 Law Schools by US NEWS
Best</a> Law School Rankings | Law Program Rankings | US News</li>
<li>Top 10 Business Schools by US News
Best</a> Business School Rankings | MBA Program Rankings | US News</li>
<li>Top 10 Engineering Schools by US News
Best</a> Engineering School Rankings | Engineering Program Rankings | US News</li>
<li>Top 25 Endowment
<a href="http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2010NCSE_Public_Tables_Endowment_Market_Values_Final.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2010NCSE_Public_Tables_Endowment_Market_Values_Final.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li>
<li>Additional Point for being #1 in any of the above mention field</li>
</ol>

<p>*In the event of a tie breaker, the university with the largest endowment will be ranked higher. </p>

<p>*Publics in bold</p>

<p>Discuss</p>

<p>Weak methodology…nice try</p>

<p>You dichotomize criteria which is a no go in metrics.</p>

<p>Well, a lot of the things you posted are dependent on size, so smaller colleges, even if they are better would have a harder chance meeting the criteria.</p>

<p>My main focus was influential universities and smaller colleges would not be as influential on academics and the general public.</p>

<p>Any list that has Cornell above princeton is fine by me.</p>

<p>My apologizes. Medical Schools are so important I cannot believe I forgot this criterion.</p>

<p>Rearranged list to add Top 10 Med Schools
[Best</a> Medical Schools | Research Rankings | Top Medical Schools for Research | US News Best Graduate Schools](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings)</p>

<ol>
<li> Harvard University<br></li>
<li> Stanford University </li>
<li> Columbia University </li>
<li> Massachusetts Institute of Technology </li>
<li> Yale University
6 **University of Michigan **</li>
<li> University of Pennsylvania<br></li>
<li> University of Chicago </li>
<li> Cornell University </li>
<li>Duke University </li>
<li>University of California, Berkeley</li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin</li>
<li>Northwestern University </li>
<li>New York University </li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University </li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles</li>
<li>Princeton University<br></li>
<li>Washington University in St Louis </li>
<li> University of Southern California </li>
<li>University of Virginia </li>
<li> Texas A&M University</li>
<li>University of Notre Dame </li>
<li>Emory University </li>
<li>Rice University </li>
<li>Vanderbilt University</li>
</ol>

<p>Very good analysis!!! This is better than the USNews rankings that only take into account arbitrary factors like retention rates and student-to-faculty ratios. This study actually takes into account departmental rankings. However, this ranking lacks individual academic subject areas like the hard sciences and liberal arts. This seems to just focus on professional school rankings.</p>

<p>Also, why were football and basketball statistics included.</p>

<p>OP, you forgot rowing, squash, soccer and lacross.</p>

<p>Well four of HYPSM in top 5 makes sense to me. Weird that Princeton is not there.</p>

<p>Perfect. Although I may be biased cause I’m going to Columbia,</p>

<p>I agree with MarlonBrando (for my own shameless reasons)! ;)</p>

<p>Can you list them again without the condition #11?</p>

<p>I have noticed that the World Rankings seldom include Dartmouth as a top school, probably because it is rather small. Yet it is a coveted school among applicants. So rankings don’t always make sense. Similarly, few top liberal arts colleges would fit your criteria.</p>

<ul>
<li><p>I am sorry everyone. I forgot good ol’ Caltech. </p></li>
<li><p>I included top sports programs because that makes a well-rounded university. Football and to a lesser extent basketball it is critical for influence on the common man. UCLA is the #1 basketball program of all-time. That has a HUGE influence on average joe that does not care to know much about their academics. </p></li>
<li><p>In regards to small liberal arts colleges not being included. That was intentional. This is a list of universities not colleges. Although, Dartmouth was included, but did not score very high on the list. </p></li>
<li><p>I did debate on removing the extra point for being #1 in one of the fields, but being #1, again, is a major influence factor - so I kept it. But even if I did remove it, it wouldn’t make much of a difference. </p></li>
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<p>I wanted to keep this list unbiased as possible. For example, if I removed criterion #11, I would have put USC (my alma mater) and UCLA (USC’s rival) as equals, but UCLA is the #1 basketball program of all-time, and as mentioned before that has major influence. USC is #2 in football, which is still highly influential, but not as much as being #1 in something.</p>

<ul>
<li><p>These rankings consist of everything that makes a great university. #1 Top Graduate and Research; #2 Award winning faculty and alumni; #3 Excellent Undergraduate programs; #4 prestigious accreditation; #5 Sports to connect the world; #7-#9 and #12 top professional programs to influence the labor force; #10 Money for growth and stability.</p></li>
<li><p>I did not include the Arts and Sciences, because I feel #1, #2, and #3 would reflect strong art and sciences universities on the top - which it does. </p></li>
</ul>

<p>And finally, the final list:</p>

<ol>
<li> Harvard University </li>
<li> Stanford University </li>
<li> Columbia University </li>
<li> Massachusetts Institute of Technology </li>
<li> Yale University
6 University of Michigan </li>
<li> University of Pennsylvania </li>
<li> University of Chicago </li>
<li> Cornell University </li>
<li>Duke University </li>
<li>University of California, Berkeley</li>
<li> California Institute of Technology </li>
<li>University of Texas at Austin</li>
<li>Northwestern University </li>
<li>New York University </li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University </li>
<li>University of California, Los Angeles</li>
<li>Princeton University </li>
<li>Washington University in St Louis </li>
<li> University of Southern California </li>
<li>University of Virginia </li>
<li> Texas A&M University</li>
<li>University of Notre Dame </li>
<li>Emory University </li>
<li>Rice University</li>
</ol>

<p>I like how Princeton is at 18</p>

<p>I like this list more than any other!</p>

<p>Question…what made Michigan and Texas score so high?</p>

<p>Do you think that you can attach the rating numbers along the rankings?</p>

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<p>They both have top 20 business schools, top 14 law schools, and top 10 engineering schools. They’re both huge research powerhouses as well.</p>

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<p>I think you mean UC San Francisco. UC Berkeley doesn’t have a medical school.</p>

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<p>In fact it is nearly the same set of schools as the US News T25 but with an extra thumb on the scale for state universities. It adds factors that are not relevant to academic quality (sports) and removes some that really are (class size, retention). That’s fine if you don’t care whether your intro classes are 300-student lectures or if 20% of your classmates fail to graduate, as long as you get a winning b-ball team. Not that schools like Texas don’t give you good academics, too.</p>

<p>The OP’s approach has a certain logic if you want to measure the influence of an entire university (including professional schools and a couple of sports programs). The Washington Monthly rankings try to measure influence, too, but based more on social impact than popular appeal. That’s the problem with trying to measure “well-rounded and influential”. It’s at least as arbitrary as the typical academic metrics. </p>

<p>The usual focus of this forum is on choosing a college (an undergraduate program). If you believe at all in rankings to support that goal, I think it makes sense to try to focus only on what matters most for undergraduate academic quality. The sports scene, the Greek scene, weather, the number of graduates in the Peace Corps, etc., etc., should be considered separately if you think they matter to personal “fit”.</p>