<p>what the ****
one shock after another
pearly gate are u serious that we don't get equal oppurtunities.then what is the whole purpose of going to the u.s and working our asses off for our application. why do people actually go the u.s to study then???no research, no internship, no job security..</p>
<p>123, not everyone goes to us to work.. their education is just better..</p>
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what the ****
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pearly gate are u serious that we don't get equal oppurtunities.then what is the whole purpose of going to the u.s and working our asses off for our application. why do people actually go the u.s to study then???no research, no internship, no job security..
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<p>I didnt say "no internship, no research". There are those opportunities it's just much fewer. Say maybe if USC have 100 opportunities, internationals will get 25. About job security, well there is no job security here since the congress puts a cap on the H1B, you will always depend on LUCK in the US... LOL can't you even tell from working on your applications? LUCK plays an important role in getting accepted into US uni why do you expect it to be different in your job search? </p>
<p>There are 2 kinds of people who study in the US. 1 they are already wealthy and not planning to stay here, they just want the brand name recognition and the network. 2 they want to stay here but don't have any idea how hard to get job in the US.</p>
<p>'There are 2 kinds of people who study in the US. 1 they are already wealthy and not planning to stay here, they just want the brand name recognition and the network. 2 they want to stay here but don't have any idea how hard to get job in the US.'</p>
<p>Thats not true for all.
I am not wealthy, nor am i planning to stay there- but yes i do want contacts, outstanding education and exposure so that i can get a fantastic job when i come back to my country.</p>
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<p>...the best option for now though or I would say what I am going to chose is to go to a grad school and then you won't have any trouble finding a job and H1B,,,
I already mentioned that going to grad school is one of the ways of staying back in the US. But you see for a masters degree no university provides financial aid (even for US citizens its just loans), which means you will have to foot the 60k pa annum bill on your own.</p>
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You people have got to be kidding if you think that the US education experience is superior. Its not superior its just different. Its a 'cool' experience , but what I'm trying to point out is that if you plan on staying abroad, then you are better off studying the Canada, UK or Australia where you will definitely get a similar experience.</p>
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Here's what happened last time around. When companies were not able to get h1b's for their intl employees, the employees worked for 12 months (using OPT) and then applied again for the visa. If denied and if the company has the same group in their branches abroad, then they will happily relocate you.</p>
<p>For me, the different style of education is better, is something I want to try</p>
<p>One can't comment on the differences in the education systems of two colleges (or countries) without experiencing both, which is never the case. Most internationals (at least Asians) would like to study in the US because colleges there aren't job oriented. In my country atleast, education (even college) is considered to be a painful stage which you must go through to get a "good" job, which beats its true purpose by a mile. In the US, you don't have to declare a major until your sophomore year and you can study Integrated Science along with Spanish Literature. In my country, you get your branch of study based on your national rank in entrance exams and no, you can't switch between departments. You need to stay in the same department for all 4 years, whether you like it or not.</p>
<p>This will probably make you see why internationals aspire to study in the US, jobs are the last thing on their minds, otherwise, they wouldn't be going to study in the US in the first place...</p>
<p>"but yes i do want contacts, outstanding education and exposure so that i can get a fantastic job when i come back to my country."</p>
<p>shreya what good job do u think u can get back in india u will never be paid more than 2 lakhs per month which i can get even if i study in some top 10 india college. what is the whole point of taking so much risk and going there when u know u r going to come back.</p>
<p>"you will always depend on LUCK in the US... LOL can't you even tell from working on your applications? LUCK plays an important role in getting accepted into US uni why do you expect it to be different in your job search?"</p>
<p>pearlgate i thought luck was important only to get in. i had the impression that in the u.s talent is given utmost importance and is recogonized. but then u proved mewrong. i cant beleive this happened at yale!</p>
<p>can anyone share some real world experiences please - some international student who graduated from a top 10 university as to how their experience was(research, internships, etc) and the jobs they got.whether they got relocated. how much do the universities help us??</p>
<p>I don't think thats unfair at all. Every country has the right (and the duty) to select who should constitute it's workforce and I see nothing wrong with that. It beats me why people are bent on finding a job in the US, which is completely against why most people want to study there in the first place.</p>
<p>"shreya what good job do u think u can get back in india u will never be paid more than 2 lakhs per month which i can get even if i study in some top 10 india college. what is the whole point of taking so much risk and going there when u know u r going to come back."</p>
<p>^Are you looking at a US UG degree as a ticket to becoming a permanent resident?^</p>
<p>123college456 -
well which top ten college are you talking about? IIT?
Graduation from nowhere else will pay you that amount.
And the reason i want to take the risk is something called education.</p>
<p>If i stay in India- the only place i can go to is Delhi University(cause i am not a science student and only science students can give IIT) - and it whole place sucks. You don't get a hostel to live in, no discussions with teachers, no libraries- forget about sports facilities. and what i'll do after i graduate from there?
Go to U.S. for my masters.</p>
<p>Thus my whole point is to go right now to get an education which will liberate my thinking and where i will be encouraged to think for myself. Unlike the rote learning i'll have to do here for 4 more years.
and i'll be pretty happy if i do get paid 2 lakh rupees per month..........</p>
<p>DU doesn't lack all that you've mentioned. I live in Delhi and yes, I've seen quite a few colleges belonging to Delhi University. Well ofcourse, it may not seem appealing when viewed along with say, an Ivy, but certainly, you cannot deprive it of what it is. </p>
<p>I fail to understand how jobs come into picture. An undergraduate degree in the US is in no way related to a job and I refuse to accept that those who apply there do so in order to land up with a high paying job there.</p>
<p>gouchicago the thing this is that as internationals, we come to US for a good education, secure some experience and skills by working in the US and go back home to contribute. Moreover, in most cases it is impossible to earn the amount of money spent for an education i.e 200000 dollars in any other country. Thus the idea is to eventually go back, but after earning the amount of money that was spent (especially if one has taken loans) and gaining some work experience. this whole scenario frightens me a bit.</p>
<p>gouchicago- what doesn't it lack? i too have been to the DU colleges - they don't have funds at all. And there is no research and no hostels for girls at most colleges. You are a recruited swimmer- There is only one college in whole of DU which even has a swimming pool..........</p>
<p>" 200000 dollars in any other country. Thus the idea is to eventually go back, but after earning the amount of money that was spent (especially if one has taken loans) and gaining some work experience. this whole scenario frightens me a bit."
Well this is true and what happes in most cases is that after working there for a few years and paying of the loans, people don't even want to go back........
But then there are lot of people who repay the loans and comeback to work in there countries.
And well US degrees are considered a big thing in countries like India- i know a person who went on scholarship to university of southern illinois at carbondale for computer science engineering which is essentially a 3rd tier university but still got a brilliant paying job back here in India.</p>
<p>@123
If you are so worried about getting a good job and making a lot of money why don't you just go to an Indian uni and invest the money you would have spent studying in America on a business. You don't go to university just so you can get a good job. We Asians really have to get that concept out of our heads.
As for me I want to study in America for the experience and the superior quality of the education so that I can give something back to my country</p>
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pearlgate i thought luck was important only to get in. i had the impression that in the u.s talent is given utmost importance and is recogonized. but then u proved mewrong. i cant beleive this happened at yale!!US Immigration Policy Fritters Away Higher-Education Benefits
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<p>I loled when I read this:</p>
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Recognizing the economic value of MBAs from prestigious institutions, the UK automatically qualifies recent graduates from top 50 business schools to work in the UK. Ironically, more than half of those business schools are in the US, where the same students are struggling to get H-1 Bs... US politicians are uneasy about elitism and designing any system that targets select groups, for example, graduates of the most competitive programs.
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<p>I never knew about this UK policy... how the heck do they know which're the top 50 anyway... well I can tell HBS, Stanford GSB and Wharton would be considered as one of them but the rest are pretty arbitrary.. also elitism are there whether they accept it or not</p>
<p>Would one need visas to work at NewYork United Nations?</p>
<p>Even if you're doing your Ph.D. in the U.S., good luck getting your H1-B.</p>
<p>After your OPT runs out you will have to get your company to pony up > $1000 in fees plus possibly hiring immigration law help in order to process your H1-B which takes months. And you will have to jump through even larger hoops to get your Green Card. More Homeland Security and lawyer fees, plus your company has to prove that there are no Americans qualified to take your job. It'll take at least a year and if you happened to be born in India or China, the wait may be so long that your H1-B expires, in which case you're screwed.</p>
<p>So if you intend on finding a job in the U.S. after graduation, the easiest way is to find an American husband/wife while you are studying there. Just don't tell the embassy/consulate official about your plan when you show up for your visa interview. ;)</p>
<p>"the easisest way is to find an American husband/wife".</p>
<p>I definitely agree with vicente.</p>
<p>yeah... why not marry an american?
that whould be much easier!
and maybe girls can double major in nurse study if they want to study something else. And then work as your major for 1 year.After that, be a temporary nurse for green card, and then you can go back to the field you want.</p>