the truth of highly selective universities- ivies and etc

<p>Harvard, Yale and Princeton : No garantee even if you get above SAT 2350 and are national awards winner and get amazing IB score (42 or plus) or AP score, the admission decision is quite random. Yale this year deferred 4 out of 5 applicants who have 2300 above SAt score and same goes towards Harvard. But overall, most acceptees have SAT I scores above 2330, many awards,some kind of speical talent, stellar essays and solid school mark> meaning straight A's and extremely rigorous course loads. Also, it would be better if you try to avoid conflicts by steering away from applying with others in your school for the same university. That dramaticallly decreases your chance.Also, many with 2400 still get deferred ED for some wierd reasons since naturally, those people are not nerds and generally have some kind of solid Extracurriculuar activies and stellar teacher's recommendation. So random here means in a very specific way. In plain words, few with less than amazing chances ever get into those universities, but lots with amazingly talented individuals got rejected every year since because they are basically competiting with others of the same stats, and so, those 2300's SAt scores and 1/1000 ranking no long matters. It all comes down to whether or not the universities can actually perceive potential in you , whether or not they are in a good mood, or even maybe they can only accept 1 -2 in whole city or even region and thus a limited quota makes their decision extremely difficult. </p>

<p>Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, U-Penn and Columbia:</p>

<p>As for these ivies, I think anything above 2150 and IB score around 40 are sufficient, the rest just depends on luck. I see some people who get 1950 getting into Wharton in U-penn, and people who get 2300 and above still got deferred by Cornell and Dartmouth. Basically, maybe some mistakes in your application info, or a boring essay will shift the decision from " accepted " to "deferred" and worse yet to " rejected." but unlike the first tier of ivy, these 5 rarely if ever reject applicants directly with excellent GPA and SAT. But, they do have a quota for acceptee from every region as a friend's interviewer revealed. In other words, they want to achieve a find balance of diversity and ratio of guys and girls, Asians and Caucasians.Randomness plays a smaller factor in those university's applications than those of Harvard, Yale and Princeton. </p>

<p>Chicago, Northwestern, John Hopkins, Duke, Washington and oops forgot all the University of California schools ( including the famous Berkely and Stanford!!)
Basically, those excellent universities are not need-blind to international students. So if you are rich and can afford 40000 dolllars for the next 4 years, definately should apply and the chance for a decent applicant to get in is huge since you are not put into a fishing pool of international students ( well, this saying definatley doesn't apply to Stanford)</p>

<p>The advantage of going to Ivy League~Haha trying to get more people to apply to Ivies!</p>

<p>1) make graduation school application easier I guess to other Ivies. So very important to highly motivated individuals pursuing law school, MBA and Medical school. If you look at Yale Law school Admission statistics, basically half or even 60& of the 280 aceptees each year are from the 8 ivy leagues school with Yale getting the biggest share and Harvard the next and all other ivies equally getting a fair share of acceptees. Then, the rest 15-20% is divided between Stanford, Berkely and Chicago mostly. So that's like 75% gone. The rest 20%-25% the quota of 60 or so spots are shared between 50 or so universities AROUND the world (also those in Canada), so basically University of Michigan will at best be able to send 2 to Yale Law and McGill every year probably 0-1 in comparison to Yale Undergraduate which can yearly send up to 50 to its master degree. So basically, top 10% in any ivy leage school can garantee you the spot in top 10 most prestigious master program in the nation. Any top 1% in any ivy can probably allow you to secure the spot in 3 most prestigious master program. No doubt, it is a very biased, unfair, elitist system, but that's how it works apparently since they are more willing to deal with students whose education was conducted in a similar method as theirs.</p>

<p>2) attend the special ivy sport events- intercollegiate sports, so U-penn and Brown hockey game and such</p>

<p>3) good alumni resources and exclusive Clubs in every corner of the world ( maybe not in Amazon jungle, I guess) and thoe clubs are sometimes only open to visiting members from other ivies and standford of course. ( well, someone told me this) </p>

<p>4) Filthly rich endowned university especially Harvard, Princeton and Yale so excellent faculty and facility. In general, many 25 students classes and seminars. They make sure that you garantee.~ </p>

<p>5) Ivy league is composed of 8 schools, so lots of opportunity for interaction with other scools in the league</p>

<p>6) excellent calibre of students just make you more motivated push your limit further</p>

<p>7) Your child automatically becomes a legacy haha make life easier for them</p>

<p>"1) make graduation school application easier I guess to other Ivies. So very important to highly motivated individuals pursuing law school, MBA and Medical school. If you look at Yale Law school Admission statistics, basically half or even 60& of the 280 aceptees each year are from the 8 ivy leagues school with Yale getting the biggest share and Harvard the next and all other ivies equally getting a fair share of acceptees. Then, the rest 15-20% is divided between Stanford, Berkely and Chicago mostly. So that's like 75% gone. The rest 20%-25% the quota of 60 or so spots are shared between 50 or so universities AROUND the world (also those in Canada), so basically University of Michigan will at best be able to send 2 to Yale Law and McGill every year probably 0-1 in comparison to Yale Undergraduate which can yearly send up to 50 to its master degree. So basically, top 10% in any ivy leage school can garantee you the spot in top 10 most prestigious master program in the nation. Any top 1% in any ivy can probably allow you to secure the spot in 3 most prestigious master program. No doubt, it is a very biased, unfair, elitist system, but that's how it works apparently since they are more willing to deal with students whose education was conducted in a similar method as theirs."</p>

<p>Where are you getting these statistics? What about schools such as Carnegie Mellon or state universities?</p>

<p>Ok this is BS</p>

<p>"Yale this year deferred 4 out of 5 applicants who have 2300 above SAt score and same goes towards Harvard."
Where are you getting these numbers?
"even maybe they can only accept 1 -2 in whole city or even region and thus a limited quota makes their decision extremely difficult."
OK this officially shows you don't know what you're talking about</p>

<p>He is right. For professional grad school other than med, classes at the top schools are overwhelmingly from ivies and top LACs. Even good state schools like Cal and UCLA, given their number of undergrads, are woefully underrepresented.</p>

<p>I am talking more from an internation student's perspective besides this is only my personal view on the selection of ivy leagues. Domestic applicants , I don't think there is any quota on specific regions, but for international, the answer is definately yes. Also EISD, u can check Yale's law school website. Ok, I admit that I haven't checked it for a while, but the statistics do show that usually only a few people from each state university attend their law school each year. Maybe it's because less people choose to pursue law school or apply for other law scools, who knows? I am just saying that looking at the statistics, it shows that generally, more people from highly-selective undergraduate school get in but maybe more people apply there in the first place.</p>

<p>EliHopeful:</p>

<p>I had a Yale admissions officer tell me a few years ago to my face that, in that year, they turned down 2/3 of applicants with 1600s on the SAT.</p>

<p>So, deferring 4/5 of those with SATs of 2300 or higher doesn't sound all that farfetched to me.</p>

<p>The "only accept 1- 2 in a whole city or even region" is not exactly true, but there is some validity to it if you can believe this same Yale ad. officer. When asked (by someone else) if there was a quota by region, he said "no," but went on to add that the numbers accepted from each region tended to be steady from year to year, then winked and told us to draw any conclusion we might like from that.</p>

<p>So, on the whole, I don't find what the OP said to be at all fantastic.</p>

<p>I think that they do not care about the standardized scores as long as they are above certain point</p>

<p>"For professional grad school other than med, classes at the top schools are overwhelmingly from ivies and top LACs."</p>

<p>Umm, while the largest percentage of students of a med schools are either residents of that state or undergraduates of that school, most tend to also have degrees from top schools. Not to the extent of law schools, but HMS, JHMS, Penn MS, Wash U MS, etc all tend to have most of their students from top schools.</p>

<p>And OP, I'd like to see where you're getting your info from. And Stanford isn't part of the Universities of California. Some stuff you said is correct, but most you pulled out of your bass.</p>

<p>You misspelled Berkeley. That's something to burn for...</p>

<p>On a more positive tone, your analysis shows that you have enough gray matter to comprehend what most CC'ers have realized in their first three days on this forum. </p>

<ol>
<li>College admissions are random.</li>
<li>internationals have a harder time getting financial aid.</li>
<li>Harvard, Yale, and Princeton is rich</li>
<li>The Ivy League has 8 schools </li>
<li>Stanford is not an Ivy school (Jeez. To hear what some people say)</li>
<li>NOT every statistic, fact, and data is the absolute truth.</li>
</ol>

<p>So we really appreciate hearing feedback from an hopeful international student that aspires to make something of a living based on a US college degree.</p>

<p>No offense, but you need to back this up. Now if you're saying that this is your personal opinion, then that's ok. But I don't know if it's the concrete fact you seem to imply it is...</p>

<p>That said, a lot of what you said sounds pretty correct. But it's not IMPOSSIBLE for normal people to get in. There aren't enough super-genii to make up 100% of the classes at HYPS. And yes, I made genii up.. =D</p>

<p>lolz Chill everyone~ I did say that it is more or less a personal opinion thing. I am not saying that ivy league is everything, but rather some of the advantages of going to a such university. Besides, of course u guys should just take this post at its face value,it is not a piece of academic work,jeez. no one asked u to trust completely what a high school student has to say. lol.</p>

<p>So, for those who insisted in seeing the statistics, here u go. Sorryz for saying that only 50-60 other universities are present. In fact more than 170 universities are represented. </p>

<p>Yale law school enrollment: total number 660 for three year program.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.yale.edu/bulletin/html/law/students.html&lt;/a> </p>

<p>and almost all the the double digit belongs to highly selective universities. so i have made a correct point there. </p>

<p>Institutions Represented </p>

<p>American University in Bulgaria [Bulgaria] 1
Amherst College 9
Arizona State University 1
Ateneo De Manila University [Philippines] 1
Bar-Ilan University [Israel] 1
Bates College 1
Benedictine College 1
Boston College 3
Bowdoin College 1
Bowling Green State University 1
Brandeis University 4
Brigham Young University 3
Brown University 17
Carleton College [Minnesota] 1
Catholic University of America 1
Cedarville College 1
Central Connecticut State University 1
China Institute of Metrology [People’s Republic of China] 1
City University of New York [Queens College] 1
Claremont McKenna College 2
Clemson University 1
Colgate University 1
College of Charleston 1
College of the Canyons 1
College of William and Mary 3
Columbia University 18
Columbia University [Barnard College] 3
Cornell University 6
Dartmouth College 13
Deep Springs College 1
Denison University 1
Depauw University 1
Duke University 13
Emory University 4
Fairfield University 1
Florida International University 1
Foreign Affairs College [People’s Republic of China] 1
Franciscan University of Steubenville 1
Fudan University [People’s Republic of China] 1
Furman University 2
Georgetown University 7
Grinnell College 1
Hampton University 1
Hanyang University [Japan] 1
Harding University 1
Harvard University 89
Haverford College 1
Hebrew University of Jerusalem [Israel] 1
Hillsdale College 1
Hobe Sound Bible College 1
Howard University 1
Illinois State University 1
Illinois Wesleyan University 1
Indiana University 1
Instituto Technol</p>

<p>people tend to forget that part of the reason why certain schools get so many people into certain grad schools is because top students typically go to top schools, who are likely to go on to top grad schools- you're gonna have a lot more top LSAT/MCAT scores from schools like Yale and Harvard than you will at lower tier schools. Having Harvard on your CV will not guarantee you admission without the grades/scores to back it up.</p>