The UCs aren't overrated

College Search & Selection
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And best undergraduate schools, too. </p>

<p>Exhibit #1:
USNWR Undergrad Biz Ranking:
1 University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA 4.8156
2 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, MA 4.6192
3 University of California–Berkeley Berkeley, CA 4.4475
3 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor Ann Arbor, MI 4.4366
5 New York University New York, NY 4.3038 </p>

<p>Exhibit #2:
USNWR Undergrad Engineering Ranking:
1 Massachusetts Institute of Technology Cambridge, MA 4.7927
2 University of California–Berkeley Berkeley, CA 4.6615
3 Stanford University Stanford, CA 4.651
4 Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta, GA 4.5155
5 California Institute of Technology Pasadena, CA 4.5134
6 University of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign Champaign, IL 4.4503
7 University of Michigan–Ann Arbor Ann Arbor, MI 4.4032 </p>

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<p>Looks underranked at #21 overall to me… ;)</p>

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<p>I agree UCB. But you’ll never get the bluebloods from the northeast to agree with you. And you haven’t even touched all the a & s programs that are better than many, many schools ranked above it.</p>

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<p>Oh, yes. California’s economy is kind of shaky these days, but it will stabilize once Arnold step out. lol</p>

<p>The State doesn’t have to give the $20b to Cal in one single time. They can do it by installments. </p>

<p>If I were the California governor, I would make Cal’s endowment fund the biggest in the whole nation. I will make Cal the premiere State U of the United States of America. America is the only country I know where it doesn’t have a premiere State University. Every other country has one.</p>

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<p>^^^^Huh? Cal is America’s premier state u already. I believe Berkeley has a major fund raising drive going on now. Too bad the economy is so poor.</p>

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<p>Yes, Cal is already America’s premier state university. Michigan isn’t too far behind, after all, it not only has the largest alumni network in the United States, it’s also located in middle America, accessible to all. ;)</p>

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<li><p>USNWR is a worthless rag and if weren’t for its pathetic rankings it would be out of business. </p></li>
<li><p>Yes, UC schools aren’t overrated…they are grossly overrated. Witness a hawkette method of ranking a school’s percentage of the student body achieving over 700 on the SAT CR and M and over 30 on the ACT. See my earlier post/rankings below with comments. The UC D, SB and I numbers are abysmal…certainly not top 50 numbers. </p></li>
<li><p>The UC schools are gaming the USNWR system with bogus top 10 percent of high school class numbers reported in the high 90s all the while with such low SAT/ACT achievement, e.g, Harvard reports 96 percent and Vanderbilt 80. </p></li>
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<p>The reality is UC D and I are glorified community colleges/commuter schools that have no business in any top 50, period. </p>

<p>A few hawkette method observations:</p>

<p>1 , Eight schools rose into the top 50 : Tulane climbing the highest to 27, along with Miami of Fl to 38, Worchester Poly to 42, Tulsa to 43, American U to 45, Colorado Sch. of Mines to 46, Pepperdine to 48, and Pitt to 50. Of the schools cracking the top 50, Tulsa had the largest leap, rising 40 places from 83.</p>

<p>2 , The California public UC schools did not fare well under this system. One has to wonder what it is about the USNWR criteria that is protecting those currently tied for 44th – S. Barbara, Davis, Irvine – with their top 50 status. SB fell to 70, Davis to 84, and Irvine to 96. And Berkeley, UCLA, and San Diego, while certainly remaining in the top 50, all had significant drops.</p>

<p>3 , Another mystery is the low showing (92) of Penn State, a current USNWR top 50 school. When measured against other schools’ SAT and ACT achievement, PSU did not perform well.</p>

<p>4 , BYU had the largest overall leap in rankings, from 113 to 55.</p>

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<li>Harvard does not list admissions data on Peterson’s, so it did not make my list. </li>
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<li>(USNWR current rank)</li>
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<p>Rank; Total; School; SATR 25%; SATM25%; ACT50%
1 , 93.5% , Caltech , 76, 100 ,99 *(6)
2 , 81.5% , Wash U 64,77,92 (12)
3 , 80% , Princeton 73,77,85 (2)
4 , 77.8% , MIT 58,85,84 (14)
5 , 76.5% , Yale 77,77,76 (3)
6 , 70% , Notre Dame 50,64,83 (18)
7 , 69.8% , Northwestern 61,66,76 (12)
8 , 69.5% , Dartmouth 65,67,73 (11)
9 , 69.3% , Stanford 57,66,77 (4)
10 , 69% , Columbia 64,66,73 (8)
10 , 69% , Vanderbilt 47,66,82 (18)
12, 68% , Duke 60,68,72 (8)
12 , 68% , U Penn 52,70,75 (6)
14 , 64.8% , Rice 53,64,71 (17)
15 , 64.5% , U Chicago 62,60,68 (8)
16 , 64% , Emory 45,61,75 (18)
17 , 63.5% , Tufts 62,62,65 (28)
18 , 63% , Brown 57,63,66 (16)
19 , 60.8% , Cornell 41,64,69 (14)
20 , 59.3% , Carnegie Mellon 37,66,67 (22)
21 , 57.8% , Johns Hopkins 42,59,65 (15)
22 , 55% , Georgetown 54,56,55 (23)
23 , 52.3% , USC 35,50,63 (27)
24 , 50.8% , Brandeis 38,43,61 (31)
25 , 48.8% , Boston Coll 29,42,62 (34)
26 , 48% , W&M 41,35,58, (32)
27 , 43.8% , Tulane 43,24,54 (51)
28 , 40.3% , Case Western 24,41,48 (41)
29 , 40% , UC Berkeley 29,51,40 (21)
30 , 39.8% , NYU 32,37,45 (33)
31 , 39.0% , U Michigan 22,46,44 (26)
32 , 37.3% , U Rochester 22,41,43 (35)
33 , 36% , U Virginia 32,40,36 (23)
34 , 35.5% , Georgia Tech 19,47,38 (35)
34 , 35.5% , Wake Forest (28)
36 , 34.5% UCLA 20,40,39 (25)
37 , 33.8% , U Illinois 16,47,36 (40)
38 , 32.8% , U North Carolina 25,30,38 (30)
38 , 32.8 , U of Miami (FL) 20,27,42 (51)
40 , 31.5% , U Wisconsin 14,40,35 (35)
41 , 30.3% , Rensselaer 23,52,23 (41)
42 , 30% Worchester Poly 13,37,35 (71)
43 , 29% U Tulsa 27,23,33 (83)
44 , 28.8% , Lehigh 17,40,29 (35)
45 , 27% American University 25,17,33 (83)
46 , 26% Colorado School of Mines 12,28,32 (80)
47 , 25.5% , U Florida 17,25,30 (49)
48. 25.3 ; Pepperdine 16,19,33 (56)
49 , 24.5% , UCSD 11,29,29 (35)
50 , 24.3% U of Pittsburgh 20,21,28 (58)
51 , 24% Northeastern 12,24,30 (96)
52 , 23.8% , U Texas 16,25,27 (47)
53 , 23.5% U Maryland 17,30, 23.5 (53)
53 , 23.5% Illinois Inst. Tech 9,27,29 (102)
55 , 23% BYU 16,18,29 (113)
56 , 22.8% Boston U 17,22,26 (60)
57 , 22.5% George Washington 19,21,25 (53)
58 , 22% UMinn Twin Cities 28,18,21 (61)
58 , 22% SMU 13,19,28 (66)
60 , 21% SUNY Binghamton 12,24,24 (77)
61 , 20.5% Stevens Inst. Tech 16,31,20.5 (83)
62 , 20% Clemson 9,17,27 (61)
62 , 20% U Oklahoma 12,12,28 (108)
63 , 19% , Ohio State 11,19,23 (56)
64 , 18% St. Louis University 10,12,25 (80)
65 , 17.5% , U Washington 12,16,21 (41)
66 , 16.8% U Nebraska 15,18,17 (89)
67 , 16.3% U Georgia 11,14,20 (58)
68 , 16% Texas A&M 9,15,20 (64)
69 , 15.8% Fordham 14,11,19 (61)
70 , 15% U Denver 8,12,20 (89)
70 , 15.% , UC Santa Barbara 11,13,18 (44)
72 , 14.8% U Iowa 14,19,13 (66)
72 , 14.8% Purdue 5,14,20 (66)
72 , 14.8 Iowa State 14,21,12 (89)
75 , 14.5% Auburn 7,11,20 (96)
75 , 14.5 Clark 15,9,17 (80)
75 , 14.5% Marquette 9,9,20 (77)
78 , 14.3% Miami of Ohio 8,11,19 (66)
79 , 14% U Delaware 11,13,16 (71)
80 , 13.8% Mizzou 13,10,15 (96)
81 , 13.3% Baylor 12,15, 13 (76)
81 , 13.3% U Tennessee 7,8,19 (108)
83 , 12.75 U Colorado 7,10,17 (77)
84 , 12.5% , UC Davis 8,16,13 (44)
84 , 12.5% U South Carolina 7,9,17 (108)
84 , 12.5% Indiana U 7,9,17 (71)
87 , 12.3% U Dayton 7,10,16 (108)
88 , 12% U Pacific 6,18,12 (102)
89 , 11.5% U Conn 7,13,13 (66)
89 , 11.5% U Vermont 9,7,15
91 , 11.3% Michigan State 8,13,12 (71)
92 , 11% , Penn State 15,7,11 (47)
93 , 10.5% VA Tech 7,14,10.5 (71)
93 , 10.5% U Alabama 7,7,14 (83)
95 , 9.8% NC State 5,12,11 (83)
96 , 9.5% , UC Irvine 8,18,6 (44)
97 , 8.5% SUNY Stony Brook 4,13,8.5 (96)
97 , 8.5% FL State 7,7,10 (102)
99 , 8.3% UC Santa Cruz 7,8,9 ( 96)
100 , 7.5% UMASS 6,8,8</p>

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<p>hawkette method? FAIL!</p>

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<p>UCD and UCI are glorified community colleges? ouch</p>

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<p>How do you expect to be taken seriously with a method that ranks WUSTL over every Ivy?</p>