Theater/Drama Colleges Part 11

<p>If I could just vent a little bit regarding my frustration with the audition process. It definitely misses some fine actors. My D who is auditioning as a transfer student is a reserved girl who transforms once she is onstage or camera. Once a director has worked with her, they cast her and sometimes even seek her out without an audition. Having worked in theater for 20+ years I have seen this type of actor and never cease to marvel at the change. Sometimes, I might even say often, they are at least as much if not more gifted than the more outgoing actors usually are chosen. They seem to have an ability to slip more easily into a variety of characters.</p>

<p>I know, I know, it is what it is. Just wanted a chance to get rid of the frustration. Thanks</p>

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I am trying to read all the past archived threads that were posted at the very start of this one, but the links do not seem to work for me. Can anyone help me out?

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I typically get 'gibberish' until #6 or so. You are not alone.

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The old threads were in a different format which might be causing the problem. Try them like this to see of they work better for you. </p>

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<p>Let me know if it works, and I'll give that option when the time for a new thread comes.</p>

<p>jusmymajinayshun,
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Bad or good? Im dying to see!

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I know the temptation, but don't try to read anything into anything that goes on in an audition. Unfortunately, there's just no way of knowing. You and anyone else who auditioned have my sympathy for the next couple of months. Having gone through the process twice, I can tell you they'll be long ones. Just try to keep your mind on other things. It's your senior year, after all. Enjoy the moment. It will never be the same. :)</p>

<p>I hear you eloisel. A two minute audition to decide one's fate is brutal at best. I'm wondering if this process has escalated just over the last few years as BFA's have become more popular? I'm thinking the process schools recruit athletes looks to be more fair. Top schools recruit junior year and students commit before starting their senior year. This lets kids know if they made it and they can go on to 2nd and 3rd tier placements. An idea for theater? Might benefit the schools and the kids.</p>

<p>stlouismom: The recruitment of athletes is cut-throat, but sometimes more from the school's end. My son was going through it his junior year. The schools visited the weight training sessions in the early AM. Who was auditioning and who was auditioned was confusing at times. They definately had better data - game film, speed on the 40, etc.</p>

<p>RE: the selection of BFA students, which you seem to know much better than myself. After reading CC for well over a year, I picked up some pointers that guided the advice that I gave to my son. First, unlike athletics, there is far more noise/randomness in the selection process - sorry programs, but I'm an academic (teach employee selection) too. and though one can likely see it when it is definately standing there in front of you at unifieds, but for the vast majority of kids it looks to be 'informed randomness' - just my opinion, but even in football the predictive validity of selection decisions is not all that good; check out the number of NFL players who played in 2nd and 3rd tier colleges.
Second, given that my S was an athlete and was not involved in the number of HS and regional productions as the typical applicant,. we assumed that he was very unlikely to get into the top programs - he had a shot, but the deck was going to be stacked against him, even though he is male. I made sure that he applied to two levels of safeties: LACs and non-audition (auditions 1st or second year) schools. He's gotton into these programs, which gives us some breathing room and reduces his tension. Third, we made sure that he applied to more 'shot' schools than 'reach' or 'far reach' schools. I told him the facts as I saw them - what used to be called 'realpolitik'. His competition at the tier one schools was going to be intense, so we thought it best to assume that he would, at best, get into an 'A-' program, likely a perceived 'B' program. If surprised, then 'surprise', but best not to anticipate that outcome.
Fourth, and I think that this was the smartest thing that we did, given my son's relatively thin resume; my son attended a summer program that provided written feedback as to his potential. He attached these reviews to his resumes. Heck, we could not report the number of sacks he had playing noseguard or his wins at Fencing Nationals. Whether these reviews will influence assessments, I do not know, but it's better than nothing.
Fifth, if four years (after moving up the experience/learning curve) from now he is convinced that he has what it takes to make it in the business, we, as parents, want to be sure that there is money available to pursue an MFA. For us, this means that he must not deplete the financial fund on some expensive BFA (there is one exception). If not a MFA at some future time, then there is funding for something else. A generic college degree is a dime a dozen these days, and while waiting tables may be cool for a while, it likely gets old.
Sixth,as a parent, I look at the BFA much like another parent whose D/S is getting a history degree. He is unlikely to work in the area, but the education is worthwhile over the long run. True, the BFA is more of a quasi-professional degree, but it provides rigorous experience that is generalizable over the long run. The breadth of education is narrower than that provided by a LAC, but I am not sure that the sin is as severe as some of my more purest LAC colleagues would argue.</p>

<p>I am wondering if anyone here who has either applied to NCSA in the past or this year, attends, or knows someone who did/does.....have you heard of "likely letters" being sent to some students following auditions that praises their audition and seems to hint at positive news, similar to what a "likely letter" would have in it to regular (non-BFA) college applicants? I have read what seems to be like such a letter that a student I advise received and am not familiar with if NCSA sends such letters that can be interpretted in such a fashion. In other words, I am assuming this is not a form letter that every auditionee receives after auditoning. Does anyone know if I am correct in assuming that not everyone gets a letter? Does anyone know about this with regard to NCSA? It would help to know if someone who was rejected ever got a letter after the audition but prior to decisions being released or if anyone who was accepted ever got a positive "hint" kind of letter after their audition. Thanks.</p>

<p>Yes, soozievt, I know of a few kids who received emails from NCSA that basically said that they had a good audition and so on.
I also know of kids who auditioned there and did NOT get the email, so one can conclude from that that not everyone gets the email and it is not a form letter.</p>

<p>Thanks NMR....I am thinking this is equivalent to what can occur in "regular" college admissions and is referred to as a likely letter. But not knowing the "norm" for NCSA, I was wondering if this is so. If not all got such a letter, I think it is a "likely" letter. I'd be curious to know from those who know students who HAVE been admitted to NCSA, if they received this kind of letter after their audition but prior to the admissions decision. Thanks for sharing the experiences you have heard about.</p>

<p>If I hear anything from my young acquaintances as to what happens next, I will let you know for sure!</p>

<p>My daughter is a junior and is just starting her college search. She is looking for a combination of an excellent acting progam and an academically challenging program in an LAC or small university with the thought of going for her MFA after graduation. Although Yale is probably too much of stretch to get into academically, she will be competitive, I think, at any school slightly less competitive. What recommendations do forum readers have? Thanks!</p>

<p>ladad: I have not read a good response to the question: who is in a better position to get into a good MFA acting program; a good actor who studied theatre in a LAC (as defined by the Carnegie group - every college, even community colleges, entail some liberal study), or a BFA who is a good actor, but more polished by the BFA experience? I have been assuming that the question is not easily answered, which suggests an answer to the question.
My own observation (in reading the alumni pages of BFA programs) is that, more than in the past, BFA students are going on to get their MFA. What does this mean?
My S got into a top ranked LAC, but I am not sure that this is who he is at this time. He will excel in a BFA program (audition-based or nonaudition-based) because he does not like the idea of taking so many courses outside of his primary area of interest. In this sense, your child, at this time, differs from mine. When I was 18 I went to an open curriculum school and loved it. Now I am with an austere LAC. I am about to retire and I still do not know which path is the best one. In fact, I do not think that most of my colleagues have given much thought to the question; what is a 'liberal art'. They still largely assume that a LAC means the aggregation/forcing of disciplines that emerged in the last quarter of the 19th century. I would hope that by an 'LAC' something richer is assumed/applied.
I know that my comments are tangential to yours, but this is an important discussion, even in the late winter of our senior year.</p>

<p>Hi Sooviet, My daughter auditioned last week and received such an email. It simply said she did an excellent audition and they would love to have her visit the school. Really a nice email but certainly not an acceptance. I'll keep you posted if she does get accepted.</p>

<p>Thanks all who replied. Clearly it is not an acceptance letter. However, the way in which it is written is similar to what some regular colleges send to SOME students to "nab" them early with a "hint" that they may be accepted. It seems like it would be very odd to send a letter worded this way if it did not mean positive news might follow at some point. The one way to know this is if NOT EVERYONE who auditions gets such a letter. In any case, it appears positive in my view. </p>

<p>Good luck to all of your kids. It's an anxiety-ridden process but if a student has an appropriate list of schools, they should have some place to go next year and ultimately be very happy once they get there. Try not to forget that.</p>

<p>thanks soozievt. My s is freaking out in his own way. Today he thought he got a letter from Evansville. It turned out that he got tuition exchange, which means zero tuition. He thoght that it was no big deal, but as a parent I was relieved. I told him not to expect pro/con letters for the BFA programs for another month.</p>

<p>In response to the "likely letters" from NCSA, we have not received one. My S auditioned in New York. They did tell us before the auditions started that reject letters would be sent first (in the next few weeks) - that if you don't hear soon, that is a good thing. We'll see.</p>

<p>Soozievt:
Best of luck to you and all of the students who auditioned this year. It is certainly a very stressful time!
My daughter auditioned last year at Unifieds, and did reciever a letter from NCSA, and a phone call after her acceptance letter was mailed. Remember, of the 1000 or so who audition, approximately 20 boys and 10 girls are offered spots.
Not all of the students who auditioned and were accepted received letters or e-mails, so don't place too much emphasis on the whole "letter" thing.
Good luck and to all of the Juniors out there, remember-be prepared!!! The competition is fierce, so give it your all, and be the best you can be!
Good luck and God bless!</p>

<p>actiomgmom:</p>

<p>Is your D attending NCSA? If so, I would be interested in her impression of it.</p>

<p>I had not heard that NCSA accepts more boys than girls. Why is that so, do you think?</p>

<p>Yes--please provide some impressions of the NCSA program!</p>

<p>Has anybody heard from SUNY, CalArts, Rutgers, or UArts yet?</p>

<p>UArts informs some people of acceptances and rejections quite quickly (within a week) after their auditions. Others seem to take longer to hear. I was also told that if you don't get a rejection letter from Purchase within about a week, know that you will be waiting until late March or early April to hear whether you are accepted or not. Best of luck!</p>