<p>"The fact that all the oppression of various minorities has at least produced some good books"</p>
<p>haha, best list ever.</p>
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Hate:
Ted Kennedy (blow hole)
Hillary Clinton (oh, I mean Rodham).
Blue States (please move to Canada)
Mistreatment and unequal treatment of women
Islamic extremists
communists
Paris Hilton
Madonna
Woody Allen (he married his child; what a sicko)
Excessive government spending
Racial discrimination called Affirmative Action
Democrats who do nothing about saving social security (that means all of them)
People who harm children
Sickness and illness
Death of good people and friends.</p>
<p>Love
America
Red States
United States Armed Forces (America's best people)
air conditioning
mobile phones
satellite TV and radio
Good health
Living life without fear of violent crime.
Lengthy and stable employment.
Being able to drive.
Candy
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<p>I totally agree. </p>
<p>I'd like to add: </p>
<p>HATE:
welfare
graduated tax system -- it really should be flat tax
people who complain about America but refuse to leave
the whole Clinton family (not just Hilary)
the fact that the Supreme Court acts as a legislative branch</p>
<p>LOVE:
Capitalism
the Bill of Rights
education</p>
<p>Hate: People who say, "if you don't like america, you can just git out"</p>
<p>Are you sure you have an affinity both for the bill of rights and McCarthyism? I'd be skeptical...</p>
<p>who said anything about mccarthyism?</p>
<p>I deduced, both from your expressed hatred of communism and your presumed support of things like the patriot act, curbing individual freedoms, etc. </p>
<p>Do you hate Christian fundamentalists as much as you hate Islamic fundamentalists?</p>
<p>I think that's sort of presumptuous -- it is possible to hate Communism without being reduced to McCarthyism. Secondly, I never said I supported the Patriot Act -- I understand why it was thought to be a good idea, but you're right, it does go against Bill of Rights. </p>
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Do you hate Christian fundamentalists as much as you hate Islamic fundamentalists?
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<p>and nope, i don't</p>
<p>Why not? For me, they basically have the same frame of mind, the same way of seperating the world into black and white, the same agressive tendancies. Only Islamic fundamentalists blow up trains, and Christian fundamentalists blow up abortion clinics.</p>
<p>
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Christian fundamentalists blow up abortion clinics.
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this is not a Christian fundamentalist.</p>
<p>Some have.</p>
<p>Doesn't make them Christian.</p>
<p>Well then, by the same standards, the true Muslims aren't the ones bombing the trains. Both Christian and Islamic fundamentalism are perversions of their true faiths, the way I see it.</p>
<p>No, the true Muslim are the ones bombing the trains.</p>
<p>Then the true christians are bombing abortion clinics. Simple as that.</p>
<p>Actually it's not, they're fundamentally different.</p>
<p>Amen, jerzak! ;-)</p>
<p>Love:
The way we Americans mix loving our country and critcizing it
Free speech
That we've come further in 200-odd years than most countries have in thousands
Texas
Great vacation spots
Wal-Mart
Public libraries
Hard work is rewarded
Cheap airfare
Voting at 18
Free samples
National parks</p>
<p>Dislike:
Relatives that smash down your door and then are obnoxious the entire visit (though this can't be exclusive to America)
Relying too much on other countries
Isolationism
Wal-Mart
$100 million movies with god-awful, painful scripts
Kids that never read recreationally
Beauty seems to be worth more than brains or a work ethic
Movies with stupid morals
Hearing about entertainers' political opinions</p>
<p>Sigh. Islamic fundamentalists reject secularised western culture and a minority take violent action against it, partly because they find a justification for it in the Koran (and ignore the passages that condemn violent behavior). </p>
<p>Christian fundamentalists reject secularised western culture and a minority take violent action against it, partly because they find a justification for it in the Bible (and ignore the passages that condemn violent behavior).</p>
<p>Keep in mind that Islamic Fundamentalists killed about 2,752 innocent civilians on 9/11, and (basically) Christian Fundamentalists have killed about 23,589 civilians in Iraq. Shudder. Add that to another thing to hate about America. (I like to think of America as generally killing less civilians than the 'barbarians' we're supposed to be fighting.)</p>
<p>By and large, I wouldn't want to be in the same room with either kind of fundamentalists.</p>
<p>And CLeighDrie,
I can't beleive I forgot Wal-Mart! That should be number one on everyone's 'hate' list. That's a pretty good list, I'd say.</p>
<p>deduced from your expressed hatred of communism</p>
<p>That would only make FFB one of many.</p>
<p>For instance, the millions of people who lost family and loved ones in the Gulags in Siberia and the re-education camps in China and Cambodiaamongst the many slaughtered innocents of the communist butchers were hundreds of thousands of Christians and Muslims (Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot had a particular dislike of people who believed in traditional natural and divine laws and rights, amongst other thingslike wearing glasses). </p>
<p>To compare the adherents of Marx and the minions of Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot, with Christians living in America today tells us more about the dogmatic critic blinded by his own resentments than it does about Christians or Communists living out their own ethos.</p>
<p>Fountiansiren! You're back! I've missed you since the "question about christianity" thread died out. </p>
<p>Now, communism is a bad idea. It doesn't really work. It sucks. It's basically a religion, minus the tradition. </p>
<p>But some similarities between it and Christianity do arise. The Christians have killed in the name of Christianity, as Marxists have killed in the name of, well, Marx. The problem with both, I think, is the fact that they want blind acceptance. But we needn't go into that again... That was too exhausting.</p>
<p>Now, communism is a bad idea. It doesn't really work. It sucks. It's basically a religion, minus the tradition.</p>
<p>This is like saying it is ice without water.</p>
<p>Then there is that little problem of Marxism not believing in something that exceeds material existencesomething greater than our own desire for power and pleasure.</p>
<p>Better to say,
Communism is like Atheism: </p>
<p>neither one relies on tradition, nor do its adherents appeal to anything greater than themselves and their desire for power which will be used only as they see fit to satisfy their relative sense of morality and pleasure (often involving re-education, cultural-cleansing and relative-ethics to neutralize peoples beliefs/traditions).</p>
<p>I guess that is why Atheism has always been a Cardinal Virtue of Marxism/Communism (to the degree that atheism can be called a virtue relatively speaking of course).</p>
<p>Now, back to all that why I hate 'red-states' stuff.</p>