<p>ONE MORE TIME FOR THE RECORD</p>
<p>I do not go to Groton, I did for one year came back to my public school, it wasn't for me as I explained in previous post for a whole host of reasons. I am quite content being your average public school attendee. Grotongirlie was a name my sis had made up and I just used it, of course i see now a big mistake, maybe next time around publicskool or averagegirlie might be more appropriate?:)</p>
<p>rapport, not repore.
and im sorry for judging you</p>
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<p>Well, it only means that being a legacy IN ITSELF doubles your chances if those two pools of applicants are comparable in all other respects. I believe the college admission officers who say (unanimously, as far as I know) that legacy applicants (as compared to nonlegacy applicants) also tend to have higher score/grade statistics, to be more likely to have taken tough high school curricula, etc., etc. It's pretty clear that all of the most selective colleges in the country reject more than half their legacy applicants.</p>
<p>mallomar thanks for the spelling lesson (my bad) and for not judging me I am honestly a nice person but just don't want to be judged understandably for something I am not:)</p>
<p>Um, if you want Groton, you can cry? Would that make you feel better?</p>
<p>Geez, Collegeman, that was unnecessary.</p>
<p>No thanks collegeman ( are you sure you are in college) I am a big girl and don't need to cry, I think I am capable to defending myself against all the meanies:[ that I never encountered in high school, interestingly enough. I am going to chalk it up to everyone just being ultra stressed and expect to hear a lot of praise once everyone has their acceptances:)</p>
<p>Grotongirl- I agree. Everyone is being way too harsh on you. Congrats on your acceptance to Yale EA. No one has any right to say it was not out of your own merit, because they have not seen your entire application nor do they know you very well. I also agree that it's unfair and unfortunate that some people are going to get into harvard based on connections and money. At my school, there is this boy who is not only legacy, but also has the former Harvard Dean of Admissions as his college counselor. He by no means deserves to get into Harvard. As an early admit, I just hope that the admissions board can see that as well and will not admit based on those factors. I did gripe about it for a month, but I got over it. Yes, these people getting in does undermine those who work hard, but in the end, we should all just make the best of our experience at whatever schools we go to and not worry about the undeserving.</p>
<p>harvard, thanks for your kind words. Its so refreshing to talk to someone who doesn't have a chip on his shoulder or is chomping at the bit to pounce and attack me! I mean I wonder where all that anger comes from, as I said before I am assuming and really hoping its the stress and nothing more. Have a great night everyone:)</p>
<p>Grotongirlie.
You are a good person and have defended yourself well. Congratulations on the Yale accept, and I wish you some peace after all things said on this thread. I support you.</p>
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<p>Just for the record, the former Harvard Dean of Admissions is L. Fred Jewett, who still works part-time in the admissions office as a senior admissions officer -- he doesn't work as a college counselor at all.</p>
<p>You may be thinking of former admissions officers who are now college counselors as selective private schools. Larry Momo, for example, is the director of college counseling at the Trinity School in NYC. He was the director of admissions at Columbia University before. In addition, Martha Lyman, a former senior admissions officer at Harvard College, is now the director of college counseling at Deerfield Academy.</p>
<p>^^^^^^
this happens a lot because we know how the process works on both ends...interestingly though, reputations are very well-known in my profession - there are plenty of admissions folks who are "making the transition to college counseling at a private high school" because no one in admissions wants to hire them....I'm not making reference to any of the folks just mentioned above (because they are great!), but there are a lot of admissions folks that go into college counseling in high schools because they've burned bridges...</p>
<p>powderpuff, thank you for the support, there were some really nice people on this thread in addition to the "enemies" who were just waiting for me to say something that could be remotely twisted into something negative when all I did all along was mention my own personal gripe, and throwing in the YALE EA was like a death sentence, I think I have gone above and beyond to clarify that I am very lucky to have gotten in but in the course of events came to a revelation and that is upon visiting H. not even for myself nonetheless but with friends, I found a school that "seemed right". I have always in my short life been one to follow my heart and I am certainly not going to stop now. I stand behind my initial post which is that I don't think its fair for money to be a big factor in a students admission IF AND THIS IS A BIG IF the student ON HIS OWN would not have stood the rigors of the admissions requirements and in this case that is most defenitely even by the girls own admission far from the case. So in other words if she gets in its strictly because of the money NOT her grades or record. If someone has a problem with agreeing with me, so be it, but I know what I believe and I believe it is wrong, wrong, wrong. I know it will never change but it makes my blood boil nonetheless.:)</p>
<p>grotongirlie, the stuff you are talking about occurs rarely at H. Serious money is involved when an incompetent canidate gets in. I know of a guy whose grandfather gave $10mil and didnt get in and he was a good student. Im not saying that this one anecdote proves my point, but if you or whoever doesnt get into Harvard it is not because there is a group of moneyed kids taking your spot, it is because there are 8 or 9 very capable canidates for each spot in the entering class.</p>
<p>I actually don't agree paulfin, while I will agree its not rampant, it DOES happen. I know for a fact, there was another very similiar incident here locally last year, and suffice to say the kid with the parents giving 5 mill got in vesus the scholar student who had dramatically FAR SUPERIOR grades. IF this girl gets in over me, trust me when I say its ONLY about the money. We are not at all in the same league grade wise and she admits this very easily that she herself will be shocked if she gets in but I have a feeling she will and hence my point that this happens and that I don't think its right, fair or setting much of an example for the average kid working his/her butt off when some very rich kid with mediocre grades will sweep in and potentially take that kids spot. Lets not say it doesn;t happen because it does not only at H. but everywhere.</p>
<p>what do u care? screw her ...</p>
<p>It does happen, but getting into H doesnt guarantee anything for this girl if she gets in. It may seem sacrilegious to say this on CC, but exactly where you go to school isnt a huge deal. The difference between going to Harvard and Yale is insignificant (although some would say that statement is sacrilegious).</p>
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<p>In terms of prestige? Yes. In terms of experience? I don't know... I'm sure something has to be different! For me, the statement "Harvard and Yale offer the same experience" equates to "All colleges of similar caliber and roughly similar philosophy offer the same experience" - and that is definitely sacrilegious... it destroys the entire college-marketing economy!</p>
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<p>Let's not say it <em>does</em> happen based on your "feeling" that it might. You are complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet. Let's wait until this inferior, rich girl gets into Harvard and you don't. THEN you can complain.</p>
<p>OP, just know that if richgirl gets in, she will have taken a spot from another rich girl and not you. If you don't get in, that will mean that another poor hardworking kid was more compelling than you. Your decisions really aren't as related as you think. That is, of course, if the both of you are really polar opposites as you claim.</p>