How do you pay the $65 application fee for the Upstate supplemental?
I posted this in another channel as well. Wondering what folks think here. Heard this from my DD who is class of 2024 at NJMS as advice to her younger sis who is applying to BSMD programs this cycle.
USMLE step 1 is becoming pass/fail from class of 2024 at the latest. This would place heavier emphasis on the medical school for residency selection, and hence make most bsmd programs a worse choice than earlier for motivated students that are interested in specialist or top residencies and used to get those by scoring high on USMLE S1. Now, they likely donât stand a good chance if they go to a not-so-highly-rated medical school. Something to consider before deciding on bsmd.
Yes for top program speciality matching
Steps scores wonât be a available but there will be other ways as shortage of doctors in regional areas may help
NJMS has a good match list will this change after 2024.? Who knows as most BS MD programs are not ranked high on residency director rankings and step scores helped a lot
If someone wants to match local BS MD should be fine but in case you want to go west coast from eat or Midwest low tier med schools in top speciality it will be difficult unless you opt for general medicine
Step 1 Pass/Fail was discussed extensively in last yearâs thread.
If you search under my handle or the handles of some of the senior members of the group, you should be able to find it.
Long story short -
With students typically applying to 80+ residencies programs, program directors will need some common âobjectiveâ criteria to compare. There is a view that Step 2 may replace Step 1 as the âobjectiveâ criteria in evaluation.
Also note - there are 150+ medical schools in USA. Outside of the âTop 20â schools, there are 130+ schools. Majority of doctors will be coming out of the 130+ schools. And most of these schools have residency slots for multiple specialties.
@srk2017, @rk2017, @PPofEngrDr
We know the following facts as published by respective medical schools:
UPenn: 24% of students every year do not get into any medical schools
Vanderbilt: In the past 3 years, students from Vanderbilt got admitted to 144 medical schools.
John Hopkins: >75% of students who apply to medical schools have >=1 gap year.
AMC: @undecided3494 shared earlier that many top school undergrad have joined AMC after 2-3 gap years.
Geisinger: An upcoming unranked medical school routinely attracts students from Ivy league undergrads. At one time about 5 -6 years ago, they took 15+ students from UPenn.
We also know that most medical schools typically take 15-30% form their home undergrads and then take 1-3 kids from 50+ undergrads to get their class filled.
The point I am trying to make is data is spread all over the place.
There are outliers in every path.
The myth âI am an Ivy league student therefore I will get into an Ivy league medical schoolâ is broken more times than I can imagine.
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Add to that, few PDs are already come out and stated their programs will focus on Step 2 more.
In that sense, UG rigor helps a lot and step 1 will be looked favorable to prestige.
Bottom line, top 10% of everything has no problem which route they pick, it always boils down to bottom 20%, whether corporate or education.
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Agree one shouldnât pick Ivy school based on that perception.
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âI am an Ivy league student therefore I will get into an Ivy league medical schoolâ is a delusion not a myth and no one ever advocated for that in these threads last few years.
To come here to say that BSMD candidates at BU are getting 99th or 100th percentile in MCAT with no prep and they are collectively outperforming traditional candidates at BU medical school is preposterous and thatâs the reason I chose to respond, otherwise I am not participating much lately.
Yes, everyone is aware of the stats for medical school admissions and I always said you or (your kid) should know your strengths and weaknesses and act accordingly. No point in constantly giving false info to the newbies here and try to steer them into BSMD since oneâs child chose BSMD for whatever reasons.
I donât come here to brag about my kid or advocate for one path since I gain nothing by that.
I agree Ivy League medical school admissions are not assured for their students and in out Case this is. T1 medical school and it is more fierce competition and we have no scholarship
Ivy league medical school admissions are gurantteed not assured for BS/MD students, as traditional is the only available route for those schools. Brown is only exception as UG, but its medical school is not top 20.
Agree brown medical school has no match to its undergrad and locking in 8 year program with PLME with ED a was not a option for us. with that more with one ED top Ivy acceptance in our hand we feel it was a right decision again itâs all what comes our way till April as end goal for Kid is 100 percent medicine
Is it ED or EA Ivy acceptance for your kid?
Thanks for correcting it is EA
You are in good handsâŠnothing to rush any decision, plenty of time to chew on options as become available.
congratulations on EA admission in a Ivy.
@love4bsmd how long do you think the essay for upstate should be? No word limit just box for us
@srk2017 - you wrote
âNo point in constantly giving false info to the newbies hereâŠâ
I believe I share valuable and truthful information for the benefit of this group.
You are free to disagree, ignore, or counter my opinions but indicating that I constantly give false information is crossing a line.
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@srk2017 and @NoviceDad and @PPofEngrDr
I apologize if have extended the discussion as a parent on this forum. All of your opinions are valuable to me. I feel this is a healthy discussion and is beneficial for me as a parent as the kids at this age need help from us in decision making. everyoneâs situation is different and I agree you know your child better than anyone
I have my interview with Rutgers/NJMS scheduled for tomorrow. Does anyone have any tips or ideas if what I should expect? I do not have much experience with interviews, and it isnât the interview with the medical school either, so I do not know what to expect
@sam2024 -
IMO, if your sonâs goal is medicine, then please consider my perspective as one of your options while deciding.
A high school student would need to work extremely hard to get into T10 Undergrads as well as BS/MD programs. (Many students return home from their multitude of ECs about 9pm (medical & non medical) and then work on their multitude of APs/tougher courses)
The same student would need to work even more harder in undergrad (via regular route) to get into T20-40 medical schools. For example, they would need near perfect GPA, MCAT and wonderful ECs. Some senior members including @PPofEngrDr mentioned that studying for MD is like a fire hose for next 4 years. After that residency is working night/day. I have been told that Residency students donât get choice assignments and required to work longer hoursâŠ
By the time these students start their career - one can imagine that most are ready to relax 
IMO, this is the time, they need to work hard since in most professions, people do learn a lot during the early part of their careersâŠ
Medicine is a very long path and requires endurance. Every student and their families should consider their childâs endurance and see if it is possible they could burn out some time during next 12-15 years of un-relenting hard-work. I feel students and families should proactively plan and pace out to avoid burn out!
I decided to share this perspective, since suggestions so far have not addressed this perspective.
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