Thread for BSMD 2020-2021 Applicants (Part 1)

[PPofEngrDr]

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

My read on NU HPME is that its purely financial. Other feeders into Feinberg pay all 4 years of undergrad expenses except for HPME. Its roughly $ 2 Million of extra revenue. Just a hunch!!!

@ppofbng Unsure, what you are eluding to, but there aren’t any feeders to Feinberg to my knowledge. 2nd, what makes you think HPME doesn’t pay anything for UG?

I am talking about this. This is what they have eluded to in the article also.

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/nupsp/

Yea, NUPSP is barely 5-7 students a year after proven themselves in NU UG. But it is not necessarily true that everyone has paid as NU UG is generous for need. Believe same applies to HPME UG years being a need blind admission. So financial is not a factor one way or the other.
As far as EDP goes, so many SOMs have early decision just like high school to UG, applicable to all applicants, not just their respective UG students, so I won’t call it a feeder program.

[NoviceDad]

@ppofbng

Also PSP is a 4 year undergrad program vs HPME is a 3 year undergrad. They also have this below program for non-NU students

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/early-decision-md.html

You are confusing the various paths to an admission to NU- Medical school.

Path 1: HPME (no longer applicable now): For High school seniors - any high schooler in USA; 3 year undergrad+4 year medical school (20 seats).
This was their BS/MD program.

Path 2: NUPSP - only for NU undergrads (9 seats). You apply in fall of your junior year.
This program still exists.

Path 3: traditional medical school applicants - for any undergrad for any college in US.
You apply in the fall of senior year of your undergrad or after graduating if taking gap years. In this path, you can apply Early Decision.

[Vicky2019]

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

My read on NU HPME is that its purely financial. Other feeders into Feinberg pay all 4 years of undergrad expenses except for HPME. Its roughly $ 2 Million of extra revenue. Just a hunch!!!

@ppofbng Unsure, what you are eluding to, but there aren’t any feeders to Feinberg to my knowledge. 2nd, what makes you think HPME doesn’t pay anything for UG?

I am talking about this. This is what they have eluded to in the article also.

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/nupsp/

Yea, NUPSP is barely 5-7 students a year after proven themselves in NU UG. But it is not necessarily true that everyone has paid as NU UG is generous for need. Believe same applies to HPME UG years being a need blind admission. So financial is not a factor one way or the other.
As far as EDP goes, so many SOMs have early decision just like high school to UG, applicable to all applicants, not just their respective UG students, so I won’t call it a feeder program.

@ppofbng, @PPofEngrDr -

Last year we visited & toured Northwestern. The tour guide who took us around the college was a premed with Biomedical engineering major. We asked her about HPME and NUPSP.

She told us that the competition is really cut throat for 5-7 seats in NUPSP and personally for her it will be super difficult since getting high GPA in her chosen major “Biomed Engg” would be harder for her so her chances for NUPSP are low (according to her)

IMO, a student applying to early assurance programs such as NUPSP would need to be prepared from day 1 of Undergrad (high GPA and ECs). It probably would help if they had a carry over of APs, medical ECs from high school (such as if they had medical EC qualifications like a BSMD applicant)

[PPofEngrDr]

@Vicky2019

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

My read on NU HPME is that its purely financial. Other feeders into Feinberg pay all 4 years of undergrad expenses except for HPME. Its roughly $ 2 Million of extra revenue. Just a hunch!!!

@ppofbng Unsure, what you are eluding to, but there aren’t any feeders to Feinberg to my knowledge. 2nd, what makes you think HPME doesn’t pay anything for UG?

I am talking about this. This is what they have eluded to in the article also.

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/nupsp/

Yea, NUPSP is barely 5-7 students a year after proven themselves in NU UG. But it is not necessarily true that everyone has paid as NU UG is generous for need. Believe same applies to HPME UG years being a need blind admission. So financial is not a factor one way or the other.
As far as EDP goes, so many SOMs have early decision just like high school to UG, applicable to all applicants, not just their respective UG students, so I won’t call it a feeder program.

@ppofbng, @PPofEngrDr -

Last year we visited & toured Northwestern. The tour guide who took us around the college was a premed with Biomedical engineering major. We asked her about HPME and NUPSP.

She told us that the competition is really cut throat for 5-7 seats in NUPSP and personally for her it will be super difficult since getting high GPA in her chosen major “Biomed Engg” would be harder for her so her chances for NUPSP are low (according to her)

IMO, a student applying to early assurance programs such as NUPSP would need to be prepared from day 1 of Undergrad (high GPA and ECs). It probably would help if they had a carry over of APs, medical ECs from high school (such as if they had medical EC qualifications like a BSMD applicant)

This year they going to lenient on shadowing and other criteria as Feinberg knows what exactly happened at NU UG in last 6 months . If one thinking to apply to NU because of NUPSP, think twice, as it is not guaranteed and lots of moving pieces by end of Junior fall Q ends. My son is actively considering to apply to NUPSP in coming weeks.

[love4bsmd]

@rk1235rk

@love4bsmd, others that I can think of from top of my head.
RPI - not required but encouraged

Thank you @rk1235rk.
We will send subject test scores (Math2: 790 and Chem: 740) to RPI along with GW and Drexel, if they are worth.

[love4bsmd]

@Vicky2019

@Love4bsmd - I think you did the right thing by dropping UofR or UPitt…sometimes it’s smart to be flexible.

There are bunch of other programs (may be others too?) that you could choose from -

BSMD programs with Dec 1 deadline
Rice University. (only 6 seats)
Case Western Reserve University
University of Cincinnati
Adelphi University. (I am not sure but I don’t think all kids matriculate to med school)
Montclair State University
University of Connecticut at Storrs (in state preference)
University of Alabama

BSMD programs with Later deadlines:
University of South Alabama December 15
Florida Atlantic University January 10 (in state preference)
Brooklyn College: The City University of New York December 12
SUNY Polytechnic Institute/SUNY Upstate - December 15
Stony Brook University January 15
Sophie Davis Biomedical Education January 8. (gives preference to URMs)

Thanks for the suggested list @Vicky2019

Here is why we don’t have them on our list.

• Rice University --too much travel hassle for interview with so little chance.
• University of Cincinnati --too few for oos
• Montclair State University --doing TCNJ/NJIT for NJMS
• SUNY Polytechnic – cut out in preference of other feeders for SUNY Upstate
• University of Connecticut – too few for oos
• University of Alabama --no south schools
• University of South Alabama --no south schools
• Brooklyn College: CUNY --not a fan of brooklyn location.
• Sophie Davis Biomedical Education --Nope for BME.

We do have the following on our list:

• Case Western Reserve University
• Florida Atlantic University --added recently!
• Stony Brook University
• Adelphi University

[ppofbng]

@PPofEngrDr

@Vicky2019

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

My read on NU HPME is that its purely financial. Other feeders into Feinberg pay all 4 years of undergrad expenses except for HPME. Its roughly $ 2 Million of extra revenue. Just a hunch!!!

@ppofbng Unsure, what you are eluding to, but there aren’t any feeders to Feinberg to my knowledge. 2nd, what makes you think HPME doesn’t pay anything for UG?

I am talking about this. This is what they have eluded to in the article also.

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/nupsp/

Yea, NUPSP is barely 5-7 students a year after proven themselves in NU UG. But it is not necessarily true that everyone has paid as NU UG is generous for need. Believe same applies to HPME UG years being a need blind admission. So financial is not a factor one way or the other.
As far as EDP goes, so many SOMs have early decision just like high school to UG, applicable to all applicants, not just their respective UG students, so I won’t call it a feeder program.

@ppofbng, @PPofEngrDr -

Last year we visited & toured Northwestern. The tour guide who took us around the college was a premed with Biomedical engineering major. We asked her about HPME and NUPSP.

She told us that the competition is really cut throat for 5-7 seats in NUPSP and personally for her it will be super difficult since getting high GPA in her chosen major “Biomed Engg” would be harder for her so her chances for NUPSP are low (according to her)

IMO, a student applying to early assurance programs such as NUPSP would need to be prepared from day 1 of Undergrad (high GPA and ECs). It probably would help if they had a carry over of APs, medical ECs from high school (such as if they had medical EC qualifications like a BSMD applicant)

This year they going to lenient on shadowing and other criteria as Feinberg knows what exactly happened at NU UG in last 6 months . If one thinking to apply to NU because of NUPSP, think twice, as it is not guaranteed and lots of moving pieces by end of Junior fall Q ends. My son is actively considering to apply to NUPSP in coming weeks.

Best of luck to your son.

I agree on the rigor and uncertainty. There are other undergrad schools that offer similar ones like UChicago, One can’t really go there hoping for this outcome.

[ppofbng]

@NoviceDad

@ppofbng

Also PSP is a 4 year undergrad program vs HPME is a 3 year undergrad. They also have this below program for non-NU students

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/early-decision-md.html

You are confusing the various paths to an admission to NU- Medical school.

Path 1: HPME (no longer applicable now): For High school seniors - any high schooler in USA; 3 year undergrad+4 year medical school (20 seats).
This was their BS/MD program.

Path 2: NUPSP - only for NU undergrads (9 seats). You apply in fall of your junior year.
This program still exists.

Path 3: traditional medical school applicants - for any undergrad for any college in US.
You apply in the fall of senior year of your undergrad or after graduating if taking gap years. In this path, you can apply Early Decision.

May be I was reading between the lines, but here is the quote that caught my eyes.

“After a general review of all our pipeline programs and their effectiveness regarding diversity, we decided to close HPME and focus on other partnerships with the Evanston campus aimed at undergraduates,” Didwania said.

[love4bsmd]

@NoviceDad

Practically all BS/MD programs attract high number of applicants. That should NOT be a reason to not apply.

I would not worry too much about class rank. Many schools do not rank.
Having mediocre essays can be a reason to not apply.

Thank you @NoviceDad.

We do have quite a few BS/MD schools on the list. In an effort to make the list manageable, we started trimming them down based various criteria. Those two schools are out as our GPA is far from being perfect. Trying to optimize the list more reasonably. Our school does not provide ranking either, but don’t know if they specify the GPA range for top 5 or 10% of the class in the college report.

Btw, if child attended multiple high schools, what do I enter in commonApp GPA field? Our current school is only providing for the sophomore and junior years attended there, which is listed on official transcript.

Freshman school uses different scale - Numeric. Should we convert freshman classes to the new school scale and list the overall 3 year GPA or only list 2 years of current school GPA? Thx.

[rmsm99]

ok thank you! i’m relatively new and not as active so I’m sorry if this is a naive question but did you apply this year? @Vicky2019
I also just checked their website and it seems they are sending them out in December as opposed to 2-4 weeks.

[grtd2010]

@love4bsmd

@rk1235rk

@love4bsmd, others that I can think of from top of my head.
RPI - not required but encouraged

Thank you @rk1235rk.
We will send subject test scores (Math2: 790 and Chem: 740) to RPI along with GW and Drexel, if they are worth.

@love4bsmd
SAT 2 Math 790 is approximately 77 percentile and SAT 2 Chem 740 is approximately 68 percentile. It may be better not to send these since it does not add much credence, IMO.

[grtd2010]

@love4bsmd

@Vicky2019

@Love4bsmd - I think you did the right thing by dropping UofR or UPitt…sometimes it’s smart to be flexible.

There are bunch of other programs (may be others too?) that you could choose from -

BSMD programs with Dec 1 deadline
Rice University. (only 6 seats)
Case Western Reserve University
University of Cincinnati
Adelphi University. (I am not sure but I don’t think all kids matriculate to med school)
Montclair State University
University of Connecticut at Storrs (in state preference)
University of Alabama

BSMD programs with Later deadlines:
University of South Alabama December 15
Florida Atlantic University January 10 (in state preference)
Brooklyn College: The City University of New York December 12
SUNY Polytechnic Institute/SUNY Upstate - December 15
Stony Brook University January 15
Sophie Davis Biomedical Education January 8. (gives preference to URMs)

Thanks for the suggested list @Vicky2019

Here is why we don’t have them on our list.

• Rice University --too much travel hassle for interview with so little chance.
• University of Cincinnati --too few for oos
• Montclair State University --doing TCNJ/NJIT for NJMS
• SUNY Polytechnic – cut out in preference of other feeders for SUNY Upstate
• University of Connecticut – too few for oos
• University of Alabama --no south schools
• University of South Alabama --no south schools
• Brooklyn College: CUNY --not a fan of brooklyn location.
• Sophie Davis Biomedical Education --Nope for BME.

We do have the following on our list:

• Case Western Reserve University
• Florida Atlantic University --added recently!
• Stony Brook University
• Adelphi University

CWRU does offer good merit scholarships for UG. TCNJ/NJIT have the largest share of seats for NJMS BSMD. Being a NY resident, it may be a OK choice (NE Region).

[PPofEngrDr]

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@Vicky2019

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

My read on NU HPME is that its purely financial. Other feeders into Feinberg pay all 4 years of undergrad expenses except for HPME. Its roughly $ 2 Million of extra revenue. Just a hunch!!!

@ppofbng Unsure, what you are eluding to, but there aren’t any feeders to Feinberg to my knowledge. 2nd, what makes you think HPME doesn’t pay anything for UG?

I am talking about this. This is what they have eluded to in the article also.

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/nupsp/

Yea, NUPSP is barely 5-7 students a year after proven themselves in NU UG. But it is not necessarily true that everyone has paid as NU UG is generous for need. Believe same applies to HPME UG years being a need blind admission. So financial is not a factor one way or the other.
As far as EDP goes, so many SOMs have early decision just like high school to UG, applicable to all applicants, not just their respective UG students, so I won’t call it a feeder program.

@ppofbng, @PPofEngrDr -

Last year we visited & toured Northwestern. The tour guide who took us around the college was a premed with Biomedical engineering major. We asked her about HPME and NUPSP.

She told us that the competition is really cut throat for 5-7 seats in NUPSP and personally for her it will be super difficult since getting high GPA in her chosen major “Biomed Engg” would be harder for her so her chances for NUPSP are low (according to her)

IMO, a student applying to early assurance programs such as NUPSP would need to be prepared from day 1 of Undergrad (high GPA and ECs). It probably would help if they had a carry over of APs, medical ECs from high school (such as if they had medical EC qualifications like a BSMD applicant)

This year they going to lenient on shadowing and other criteria as Feinberg knows what exactly happened at NU UG in last 6 months . If one thinking to apply to NU because of NUPSP, think twice, as it is not guaranteed and lots of moving pieces by end of Junior fall Q ends. My son is actively considering to apply to NUPSP in coming weeks.

Best of luck to your son.

I agree on the rigor and uncertainty. There are other undergrad schools that offer similar ones like UChicago, One can’t really go there hoping for this outcome.

Little superstitious here, your well wishes resulted in my elder son acceptance into MS with thesis 5th year extension. ?

[grtd2010]

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@Vicky2019

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

@PPofEngrDr

@ppofbng

My read on NU HPME is that its purely financial. Other feeders into Feinberg pay all 4 years of undergrad expenses except for HPME. Its roughly $ 2 Million of extra revenue. Just a hunch!!!

@ppofbng Unsure, what you are eluding to, but there aren’t any feeders to Feinberg to my knowledge. 2nd, what makes you think HPME doesn’t pay anything for UG?

I am talking about this. This is what they have eluded to in the article also.

https://www.feinberg.northwestern.edu/admissions/how-to-apply/programs/nupsp/

Yea, NUPSP is barely 5-7 students a year after proven themselves in NU UG. But it is not necessarily true that everyone has paid as NU UG is generous for need. Believe same applies to HPME UG years being a need blind admission. So financial is not a factor one way or the other.
As far as EDP goes, so many SOMs have early decision just like high school to UG, applicable to all applicants, not just their respective UG students, so I won’t call it a feeder program.

@ppofbng, @PPofEngrDr -

Last year we visited & toured Northwestern. The tour guide who took us around the college was a premed with Biomedical engineering major. We asked her about HPME and NUPSP.

She told us that the competition is really cut throat for 5-7 seats in NUPSP and personally for her it will be super difficult since getting high GPA in her chosen major “Biomed Engg” would be harder for her so her chances for NUPSP are low (according to her)

IMO, a student applying to early assurance programs such as NUPSP would need to be prepared from day 1 of Undergrad (high GPA and ECs). It probably would help if they had a carry over of APs, medical ECs from high school (such as if they had medical EC qualifications like a BSMD applicant)

This year they going to lenient on shadowing and other criteria as Feinberg knows what exactly happened at NU UG in last 6 months . If one thinking to apply to NU because of NUPSP, think twice, as it is not guaranteed and lots of moving pieces by end of Junior fall Q ends. My son is actively considering to apply to NUPSP in coming weeks.

Best of luck to your son.

I agree on the rigor and uncertainty. There are other undergrad schools that offer similar ones like UChicago, One can’t really go there hoping for this outcome.

Little superstitious here, your well wishes resulted in my elder son acceptance into MS with thesis 5th year extension. ?

Congratulations to your son and your family.

[Vicky2019]

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@Vicky2019

@Love4bsmd - I think you did the right thing by dropping UofR or UPitt…sometimes it’s smart to be flexible.

There are bunch of other programs (may be others too?) that you could choose from -

BSMD programs with Dec 1 deadline
Rice University. (only 6 seats)
Case Western Reserve University
University of Cincinnati
Adelphi University. (I am not sure but I don’t think all kids matriculate to med school)
Montclair State University
University of Connecticut at Storrs (in state preference)
University of Alabama

BSMD programs with Later deadlines:
University of South Alabama December 15
Florida Atlantic University January 10 (in state preference)
Brooklyn College: The City University of New York December 12
SUNY Polytechnic Institute/SUNY Upstate - December 15
Stony Brook University January 15
Sophie Davis Biomedical Education January 8. (gives preference to URMs)

@love4bsmd -

Did you notice my additional note on FAU? As per knowledge, Florida Atlantic University gives in-state students preference as far as I know. Students from other states can apply but are given lower preference.

[Vicky2019]

@rmsm99

ok thank you! i’m relatively new and not as active so I’m sorry if this is a naive question but did you apply this year? @Vicky2019
I also just checked their website and it seems they are sending them out in December as opposed to 2-4 weeks.

@rmsm99 -

My son applied in 2020 cycle and is currently a freshman in a BSMD program.

UPitt has a rolling admission. They give admissions based on when they receive the applications. The dates listed in their website are the latest date/s by when that step must be done…

My S applied to UPitt in September and got admitted within 1 week. He got his medical application within 1 month…

[Vicky2019]

@PPofEngrDr - Congratulations to your elder son and to the proud parents on his acceptance into MS with thesis 5th year extension. Wish him the very best!!!

[PPofEngrDr]

@grtd2010 @Vicky2019 thank you and we all need TLC on this forum.

[ppofbng]

Best of luck to your son.

I agree on the rigor and uncertainty. There are other undergrad schools that offer similar ones like UChicago, One can’t really go there hoping for this outcome.

Little superstitious here, your well wishes resulted in my elder son acceptance into MS with thesis 5th year extension. ?

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Congratulations

[PPofEngrDr]

thanks @ppofbng