<p>I've been told by several people that in the exciting world of post-undergrad, the Ivies are tiered, whereby Harvard, Yale and Princeton are considered superior to Columbia, Penn, Brown, Dartmouth, and Cornell (though I've heard arguments that Columbia falls somewhere in the middle of these two tiers). Frankly, I think it's a little ridiculous to break up the eight Ivy League schools into two separate tiers. But is it true? Do businesses and corporations regard HYP degrees as superior to the others?</p>
<p>Only on CC. /thread</p>
<p>I've actually never considered an economics degree from Yale or Princeton to be more prestigious or carry more weight than Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, or Cornell. Did Yale or Princeton ever have a really outstanding business program like Tuck or Wharton or even Cornell's undergraduate business program? I truly believe that in the real world of business and corporations, it may matter for CEO and leading a corporation in leadership, but for anything less than CEO, Chairman of a corporation such as Manager or even Director, it doesn't matter which university you graduated from except that it has to be good and you yourself as an individual must be spectacular. Its really hard to say that the school represents the individual since the school is made out of thousands of individuals who are not all alike and are all different. Any difference between the motivation, mindset, the desire to be the best, and action to work to attain their goals (may it be high or low) of HYP and the other lower ivies I would consider to be very negligible.</p>
<p>EDIT: I'm not saying all Ivies are equal with respect to business. Clearly they are not. I never though HYP would occupy the top posts (once again)...I can see Harvard being up there...but Yale and Princeton? Would a real wall street person really hold them as high as you think?</p>
<p>HYP are the richest, have strong research, reasonably small alumni populations, loyal alumni, and do the best in terms of grad placement and recruiting. The rest of the Ivies are strong in some of these areas but not as universally. For example, Dartmouth does almost as well as HYP in terms of recruiting has very strong grad placement, is very wealthy per student, and has loyal alumni but its not as well known as a research university (nor does it want to be). Columbia, Penn, and Cornell are in many ways the opposite, strong research universities but not as undergrad focused, less loyal alumni, and not as wealthy. </p>
<p>So HYP are a level above because they do everything well, but not its not as significant as those on CC make it out to be.</p>
<p>for some reason i put HYP above Columbia and Penn, and those above Cornell, Darmouth, and Brown -- thats just the notion ive picked up and now i am sort of prejudiced by it, but i dont think its necessarily true -- at least not in any empirical sense</p>
<p>Really? This is a discussion we're having? If you really do have the option of choosing between different Ivy's I think academics is the last thing you need to consider.</p>
<p>I actually never understand the Penn/ Columbia overrating on CC. Penn is less selective than Brown/ Dartmouth according to every objective measure. Brown and Dartmouth actually win in terms of grad school placement. Dartmouth does the best amongst the group when it comes to recruiting, has the most loyal alumni, and is the richest by far. None of these arguably is that much better than the other.</p>
<p>I have always thought it went like so:</p>
<p>HYP
Penn, Columbia, dartmouth, brown,
Cornell (always thought it was more of a peer of georgetown/johns hopkins)</p>
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<p>Yes they do. This I have heard straight from the mouth of a recruiter from Goldman Sachs and a ceo of a fortune 500. They are all great, but in most peoples mind there are rankings. This is them</p>
<p>HYP
Penn, Columbia
Dartmouth, Brown
Cornell {gets a bad rep)</p>
<p>Penn is so high, because in terms of prestige it is highly respected and tends to be pre-professional oriented to the extent that they do very well on job placement (wharton and non-wharton alike).</p>
<p>You don't neccessarily have to go to Ivies or neccessarily have a HYP in order to get into Goldman Sachs or other fine reputatable business firms.</p>
<p>Alonzojhu from Johns Hopkins, a regularly poster in the Hopkins forum is a recent graduate landed his first job workin at Goldman Sachs and is making $75K after taxes. </p>
<p>Any degree from a highly ranked university would work. The mere differences of schools can be made up by the individual, their record of work experience, they volunteer, and variety of different types of leadership experience. Education is one of th emany factors that are looked at including GPA when they review resumes including the interview. You just gotta beat them all (factors that is)</p>
<p>Each Ivy school has different strengths, but I think to the average Joe, the tiers would look something like:</p>
<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton
Columbia, Penn
Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell</p>
<p>Simply in terms of prestige, not necessarily taking academics into account.</p>
<p>My CEO (Fortune 200) went to LSU and is quite proud of it.</p>
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<p>Agreed. An employer will not higher a "lesser" candidate for a job simply because said applicant attended Harvard. If you're not a good candidate for a job, grad school, or anything of that sort, then you're not going to be looked upon favorably, regardless of where you went to college.</p>
<p>within the ivy league it goes Harvard Yale Princeton /Brown Columbia Dartmouth/Penn Cornell</p>
<p>outside the ivy league it goes Harvard/"Ivy League"</p>
<p>For academic quality of undergraduate education:</p>
<p>Cornell, Dartmouth, Princeton, Brown
Harvard, Yale, Penn, Columbia</p>
<p>For engineering:
Cornell, Princeton
Columbia, Penn
Brown, Yale
Dartmouth, Harvard</p>
<p>Quality of students based on SAT:
Harvard, Yale, Princeton
Cornell endowed colleges, Columbia, Dartmouth, Penn, Brown</p>
<p>Quality of academic program resources/faculty productivity:
Depends on which program...
But, seriously, if you get into any Ivy, you should be thankful.</p>
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<p>Yes, but if the applicants are fairly similar than they will choose the one from the better school. Simply put Goldman Sachs may hire 60 graduates from Harvard and only 15 from Hopkins, so in any case top kids will be successful...its just more kids come from the better school.</p>
<p>It's hard to believe a thread like this even gets 17 posts, although of course I'm hypocritically contributing to this thread's continued existence.</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard, Princeton, Yale</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Brown, Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
</ol>
<p>^ I almost agree with kindofqueens. Although I would put Dartmouth as 4 and Cornell as 5. I mean, why not break up 8 of the best schools in the country (if not the world) into 5 tiers. It makes perfect sense, right?</p>
<p>Penn is way overrated on CC in my opinion. Why do people think its so great with recruiters. It does worse than Dartmouth and Columbia if you exclude Wharton and has lower grad placement rates than Brown and Dartmouth. I never understand the Penn inflation factor. Its also the least selective Ivy after Cornell.</p>