Tips for change of major?

Hello all! I am currently a sophomore at Emory College majoring in Chemistry and Economics. Right now I am thinking about switching one of the two to Computer Science because of its relative good employment opportunities but I am really not sure which one to change. Here is the dilemma:

I love both Chemistry and Economics. I put a lot of time and effort into Chem but it is still hard for me while Economics right now gives me a way higher GPA that might compensate a possible lower GPA in Computer Science. As for employment, however, Chemistry is probably better than Economics but choosing Chem means that my GPA might not be as good and I have to give up Econ, which I really love. So I really have to weigh between employment and GPA but I don’t really know much about the current job market.

I would really appreciate all your suggestions!

@Kasa123
Employment is what you make it, you have to market your self and your degree. Shouldn’t be too hard when “Emory” will be on it, but you have to get creative.
Pharmaceutical companies, Biotech companies, financial firms, Consulting firms. Start ups etc. Switching to CS now would be a cop-out. Stick with what you started and finish.

@Kasa123

You can enjoy taking courses in a subject (whether chemistry or economics) without majoring in that subject.

CS will take a lot of time so the rest of your schedule has to be consistent with that. Have you taken any CS courses or any of the math courses needed for that major?

How far have you gotten in chemistry and economics? That might play a role in your decision.

@VANDEMORY1342 I struggled through Orgo 1 last semester and I am not sure whether I am gonna make it through this semester in Orgo 2. I admit that stop taking Chem classes sort of wastes my previous efforts and I might not finish CS on time but am I really gonna succeed in the internships and jobs as an undergraduate general chem major with a not very decent GPA?

@BiffBrown I still have a long way to go (9 classes left if I take finish the two 200-level Chem classes this semester) but I only have 6 classes to go upon finishing BA in Econ. I will make Econ as my major because I am good at it. Are you suggesting that I ditch either Econ or Chem and pick up CS instead?

@Kass123 Based on what you’ve posted, you will have a hard time finishing in 4 years if you attempt to double major regardless of your double major and even if you stick to chemistry/economics.

Organic chemistry 1 is tough especially if you had Weinschenk for orgo 1. It also sounds like you’re not enjoying organic chemistry and have no particular plans that require a chemistry major. In that case, why do you want to continue majoring in chemistry? (You haven’t said you’re interested in medical school or doing chemistry research, which would require a chemistry PhD.)

There is a CS minor that you can run with your Econ major if you want the mathematical/computational rigor that goes with a CS minor. Note that a CS major requires quite a bit more than a CS major.
http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/site/undergraduate/degrees/deg-cs-minor.php
http://www.mathcs.emory.edu/site/undergraduate/degrees/deg-cs.php

Have you taken any CS classes?

@Kasa123 : Who did you have for ochem? Also, ochem is not some benchmark course (I am really tired of people using it to measure their “intelligence” or fit for the major, attaching their ego to success in the course. The fact is, general chemistry does not prepare most for a rigorous treatment of organic chemistry. And organic chemistry at Emory, even with a medium level instructor below Weinschenk or Soria is harder and has a more intensive problem solving aspect than it does at several of Emory’s peers, most which are ranked higher than Emory fwiw. If you take Soria or Weinschenk and score in the B range, you have pretty strong knowledge of organic chemistry as well as good problem solving which is more than most As in the courses at peers can say. Some of those courses are borderline “gen. chem with structures shown” courses, being taught and tested more like a biology course). You need not ace it to determine your competence in chemistry. Just taking a good teacher and developing logic and a different style of thinking about molecules is valuable and is a great gateway to understanding things like biochemistry. It isn’t easy to re-program oneself from how gen. chem taught you to plug and chug and memorize structural and conceptual aspects of chemistry to instead really understanding and then applying structural aspects of it. This transition does not have to come natural. Also, you should not compare your grades in chemistry vs. econ. Have you ever considered that chemistry is just a much more reputable, rigorous, competitive, and conservative grading program versus econ.

I am sorry, it is very difficult to determine if someone is “good” at econ. at Emory until they perhaps take the most rigorous instructors for 300-400 level math intensive econ. courses. Even those may not compare to the rigor of the best programs. Being “good” at it could be misconstrued with “they make these classes easier than what they should for a school at Emory’s level”. Emory isn’t the only school in the top 20 or so with a relatively harmless economics major, but the schools where an economics major goes far are not the ones where even top students say: “oh yeah, I am easily making a high GPA”. Most of the better students at such places likely have a class or two that really made them sweat and struggle like you did in ochem. Most of the top students in economics end up in the business school in primary and 2ndary area depths that likely make them fight for grades. Even after you account for the recommended grading distribution implemented in economics, both general and organic chemistry grade much lower than the recommended cut-offs there. A B+ or higher average chemistry major is actually considered very strong (also, some of the strongest chemistry majors I know got B grades in ochem, some even B/B- and went on to do amazing research, beast graduate courses and upper divisions using ochem and even winning departmental awards for their research and academic excellence. Some are at very top graduate programs in some chemistry or chemistry related fields and were not perfect at all. They took the hard courses, learned for knowledge, improved over time, applied their knowledge to research). I say hang in there and improve. Perfection can be really over-rated, especially in the context of a rigorous major that draw and retain many students with amazing backgrounds in chemistry already (how the heck do you think the department has students who go crazy over instructors as rigorous as Weinschenk which is basically pitching his course at the same levels of the course of very top tier institutions like Harvard or MIT?)

An econ. major from Emory WITHOUT lots of upper level math may mean very little. They are legendary for grade inflation and surprising ease.

You still have analytical chemistry, pchem, biochemistry 1 (trash), some electives (like chemical biology where you can put a knowledge in ochem and biology to use), and cool electives. Not all courses are ultra built upon organic chemistry. If you are more math inclined, pchem, analytical, and atmospheric may hit the spot.

Also, note that there are a couple of computational chemistry labs at Emory which may allow you to marry the interests.

Also people like me and folks that @BiffBrown knows are always here to help you through ochem :wink:

@BiffBrown I am taking CS170 this semester. I will definitely look into a possible CS minor. Thanks!

@bernie12 So shall I continue if I do not really want to go to health-related schools or to do Chem research? If I continue Econ, is Econ&Math a good choice plus taking some extra Math-related classes?

If you want to go into computers and you do well in economics, there’s a perfect solution. Major in Information Technology. Since it’s a business degree, it won’t require a whole lot of change. You get the same employability of CS without all the mathematical torture you have to endure. CS is overkill, in my opinion. Most programming has little or nothing to do with math.

@Kasa123 : There are jobs that use chemistry that hire undergraduates that do just decently (you technically have plenty of time to do well): https://www.merck.com/careers/life-at-merck/students-and-graduates.html

If you do something like computational chemistry, your job outlook expands further to include data science and CS related jobs. Your major need not match your future career and nor is useless if you are not pursing “x” or “y”. This idea that Emory students have is stupid and often limits their potential to be exposed to great areas they were originally clueless about. I did my MS in computational biophysical after getting a BS in biology and a strong BA in chemistry (I wish I would have engaged in CS or that QTM had existed when I was there, because it would have really helped as opposed to learning the CS principles from scratch). The most senior graduate student in that MS lab had a math minor and chemistry major as an undergraduate, and got a job in data science that pays him well enough to buy a house immediately. You never know where you’ll end up. You can major in whatever you want and dabble in tons of other things and even take internships in other things you have taken courses/developed a serious passion for. You DO NOT have to major in something that leads to very specific careers. Ultimately, when undergraduates are evaluated for first time jobs, they will mainly look for experience in terms of research and internships. You would be surprised how many well-paid jobs in things STEM related under-rate GPA and over-rate any type of experience.

Note that if you REALLY want to pick up some applicable math skills, you can begin to combine economics with the QTM route . This will teach you useful math and computing techniques, get you exposure to the networking they do and perhaps set you up to pursue a number of internships, whether they be social sciences related or natural/physical sciences related. Keep an open mind about career and internship options and realize that you need not pursue the most linear/predictable pathway to whatever, especially if you do not have much of an idea of what you want to do. The goal should be to GAIN SKILLS in several areas that can help you, and not just obtain a degree. One may assume the two are coupled, but often they are not because people pursue joke instruction and do not do much to engage their undergraduate majors, making them less competitive for anything post-graduate. I would say give the chemistry major maybe 2 more courses (and please choose good courses with at minimum good instructors, and a good students. Courses that focus on serious problem solving in chemistry. If the class does not grade problem sets or incorporate grading of things beyond exams, quizzes, and clicker q’s, it probably isn’t the one. I definitely recommend Emily Weinert’s Chem. 302 course, chemical biology as she requires a mini-grant proposal and teaches students biochemistry in an experimental context. This is useful whether or not you plan to go to graduate school because it teaches you to view learning and understanding chemistry in a different light. You also get exposure to many applications of biochemistry whether it be biofuels or traditional biology problems. She also has you write and present mini-grant proposal which allows you to take the reigns and learn what you want to develop it. It is very different than being at the mercy of what the instructor wants you to know all of the time. It isn’t easy, but neither is science. This way you will get a better appreciation of the problem solving aspect and how science is practiced and what applications chemistry has. Unfortunately you will first have to pass through biochemistry 1, chem 301 which is virtually in the dark ages in terms of how it is taught basically everywhere, and I sincerely apologize for this reality), but begin to build a background in CS, math, or data science.

Note that, realistically since you would need to take physical chemistry, you would be at an advantage if you took the math courses that align with math/econ. anyway. Alternatively, the QTM equivalents are just as good and add the element of programming (and econ. is a substantive area of economics). You can actually do a lot of SERIOUS dabbling without majoring in something. This is a freedom you have if you do not plan on going to health professional school. Do not feel like you have to major in x, y, or z to get to very specific places. Just ask yourself: “What can I do to legitimately build skills in areas of interest which may open opportunities in x, y, and z”. The classes, workshops, and internships likely exist at Emory. You can’t tell me for example, that there isn’t a lot of useful stuff in QTM:http://quantitative.emory.edu/for-undergraduate/courses/qss-courses.html to complement either a math based chemistry or a social sciences major. And the cool upper division courses do not even require some of the lower divisions, meaning that if you choose not to major, you just clear the key lower divisions and choose some electives that look really interesting to you. The cool thing I hear about QTM is that it is applicable to more than just theory and that many courses may actually give projects which lead to actual learning. You are not just going to sit their and soak of mathematical theory, and do some basic level problem sets. The p-sets and/or projects expose you to research and data science as it is used in a variety of fields. You get to use your knowledge to solve these problems over a decent amount of time as opposed to taking in facts or processes mainly to give them back on a high stakes exam. Jobs are project based after all.

@coolguy40: Math isn’t torture to everyone…just throwing that one out there. Some, in fact many people actually enjoy it or think it is a good a thing. Math is one of the fastest growing majors at Emory. Don’t refer to an affinity towards it as “torture”. It is all too stereotypical. Plus computer programming often can benefit from mathematical logic especially that seen in classes like linear algebra. To me, knowing some linear algebra makes a lot of programming problems make more sense. Plus being able to use CS to do mathematics is a big thing even today. You can theoretically decouple them, but you may be more useful if they are somewhat coupled (used for lots of mathematical modelling and data analysis methods such as machine learning and even less intensive statistical methods like Principal Component Analysis).

@bernie12 I agree that math is an important part of certain fields of computers. Obviously, it’s not my thing. What I’m trying to do is offer a degree option that allows flexibility to change majors, while offering employability at the same time. Just an option to think about.

@coolguy40 : The overall point I am making is that I think “majors” in and of themselves are far over-rated. For example, concentrations in the business school do not just stand alone. The business school students “power up” those majors via internships and other oppurtunities (largely facilitated by their own drive and the networking). It often becomes difficult to determine if it is the major or “everything else”. A biology (which falls into the holy grail of STEM) major who just took some courses in biology major is not particularly employable, but one who took internships, did research, or combined it with something marketable like CS skills (not even a major is required) is.