<p>Hey,
On my application I indicated to schools I was going to take the math IIC on 1/27. Well I just got the results back (660), far less that the sparknotes prep I was doing. (Math SATI is 730) (ACT math is low thirty something). Alternatively should I just not send the score? Its not required, but I don't want it to hurt my chances. (I have a A- or A in calc AB and some C)</p>
<p>school: jhu
urm
local
engr. major
connections to the school through work/family</p>
<p>bump, anyone?</p>
<p>how many other satIIs did you send? i wouldnt give it if i were u</p>
<p>none, I took all the testing at the last minute and figured math iic would take the least preparation..boy was I wrong.
(JHU allows ACT in leiu(sp?) of SAT II
Is it going to be looked at poorly if I indicated I was going to take the test but never send the score?</p>
<p>No, don't send the score. It is an okay score, but nothing impressive (no offense--it seems like you probably just underestimated the Math II a bit--I know I was surprised to find some of the weird stuff that it has on it). It's not a big deal that you said that you were planning to take it--they will see that and just think, "Oh, something must have come up." There are a whole litany of reasons why you might not send a score that you said you would have--you got sick on the test day, other people in your room were really disruptive (I've heard of it), an unplanned event took precedence, or you just plain didn't want to take anymore tests. So they aren't going to assume that you bombed or anything. They will spend a lot less time thinking about it than I took to write this reply :). As long as your testing requirements are fulfilled--and they are--then you are covered.</p>
<p>If they ask should I just say honestly that I underestimated the test and know its not an indication of my knowledge and would be glad to take it if I had more time?</p>
<p>Send it without sending excuses. Not those many URMs take any SATIIs, particularly in math or hard sciences. </p>
<p>Also, 660 is not a bad score for anyone. Realize that the people who take any SAT IIs are a relatively small group of students who are taking the toughtest classes and applying to the elite colleges, which are the only colleges requiring or recommending SAT IIs. Consequently, one isn't going to have as high a percentile or score as one would on the SAT I, which is taken by far more students, including many who don't take tough courses.</p>
<p>Don't look at the unusually high scores that are reported here on CC and assume that those are the norm or that one is an abject failure with no chance of getting into a school like JHU unless one cracks 750 on the SAT II. That's not true at all --even for nonURMs.</p>
<p>Also may of the students with extremely high scores on SAT II math have parents who were scientists or engineers and who have been drilling and tutoring them on math for years. It's not as if those students are smarter than you. They just have more practice.</p>
<p>I think that in the research part of the College Board site you can find info about how different groups including URMs do on the SAT I and II. It would be worth it for you to track down that info.</p>
<p>I was a real slacker until precalc so there are many holes in my math, and I think this SAT proves this. JHU knows I was a slacker prior to the end of precalc, but are they going to think my calc grades are inflated because of this?</p>
<p>I think its obvious in my application that, although I am URM, I had a priviliged upbringing. So its not like the poor URM did ~50th%tile. Its the slacker getting 50th%tile even after I've turned myself around.</p>
<p>I should have known slacking off would bite me in the arse...</p>
<p>My situation is so unique that I don't want anything to indicate that I can't handle the courseload (which I have reviewed on their faculty websites and consider myself ready for)</p>
<p>I don't know what your race is, but just to give you an idea about how scores are for URMs, according to The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education on the SAT I, here are how many African Americans score above 700. When you read this realize that many of the high scoring blacks didn't take the SATIIs at all. While the below is about African Americans, scores for other URMs probably are similar.</p>
<p>".In 2006, 150,643 African Americans took the SAT test. They made up 10.3 percent of all SAT test takers. But only 976 African-American college-bound students scored 700 or above on the math SAT and only 1,117 scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT. Nationally, more than 95,000 students of all races scored 700 or above on the math SAT and nearly 69,000 students scored 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Thus, in this top-scoring category of all SAT test takers, blacks made up only 1 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the math test and only 1.6 percent of the students scoring 700 or higher on the verbal SAT. </p>
<p>If we eliminate Asians and other minorities from the statistics and compare just white and black students, we find that 5.4 percent of all white SAT test takers scored 700 or above on the verbal portion of the test.
But only 0.74 percent of all black SAT test takers scored at this level. Therefore, whites were nearly seven times as likely as blacks to score 700 or above on the verbal SAT. Overall, there are more than 39 times as many whites as blacks who scored at least 700 on the verbal SAT. </p>
<p>On the math SAT, only 0.6 percent of all black test takers scored at least 700 compared to 6.4 percent of all white test takers. Thus, whites were more than 10 times as likely as blacks to score 700 or above on the math SAT. "</p>
<p>Black, yes. I would wager that those results correlate moreso with socioecoomics than race. JHU knows I'm in the "white" socioeconomy. So the question esentially is whether they compare me to URMs or ORMs with regards to the score?</p>
<p>JHU wants a diverse student body and is looking to accept students who can graduate from its tough curriculum, including students who plan to major in math and science related fields.</p>
<p>Even when one considers SES, there are very few African Americans who can do that -- and who have the interest in being at JHU. When you start looking at African American males, the numbers are even smaller because the most academically successfull
black students are overwhelmingly female.</p>
<p>The SAT II math score that you're complaining about still is high enough to show that you could handle the curriculum and if you choose major in math/hard sciences.</p>
<p>I am fairly sure that my S's SAT II Math C score is about the same as yours. His SAT I m score was a 780, and he underperformed on the SAT II because he didn't bother to review the material (He was taking a higher level math course at the time), he took the SAT II at the last minute, and he also took all 3 SAT IIs at the same time. </p>
<p>S's gpa is about a 2.8 unweighted with a very tough courseload (S underperformed because he didn't really apply himself). A friend of mine who is a professor at a major LAC sent S's info around to profs in her college's chem department and they were very interested in having him apply. I was surprised, but my friend said that was because he had very high scores, clear potential, and they simply don't get very many black male applicants with that kind of promise. They also knew that often black males are treated badly by the school system: at best their intellectual potential is overlooked, at worst, they are suspended for trivial offenses.</p>
<p>I am an alum interviewer for an Ivy, and i have seen URMs and even white students with scores lower than my S or yours get into top colleges.</p>
<p>As for SES, this is what The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education says:
" Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 130 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.
• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 17 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of more than $100,000. "
<a href="http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.jbhe.com/features/53_SAT.html</a></p>
<p>And do check out the College Board chart that shows SAT score ranges by race.</p>
<p>Journal of Blacks in Higher Education article about the gender gap involving black students at top colleges including Johns Hopkins: <a href="http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/51_gendergap_universities.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.jbhe.com/news_views/51_gendergap_universities.html</a></p>
<p>I'm sending the score now. Thank you for everything northstarmom.</p>
<p>Chris</p>
<p>Jeez im one of ~900 blacks to score >700 on math...that is just plain rediculous.</p>