To those who applied a few years ago - what did you learn from it?

<p>Two of my kids are sophomores, so we went through the search, application, and selection process that most CC posters here are in the midst of now. But when I look at the start of this cycle next year for my youngest, I find myself just older, but not any wiser. If you have been through this in the past, when you look back at what you thought versus what actually transpired, can you list what were the main things you learnt from it?</p>

<p>Some specifics in our case:
We felt that the student's perception of "fit" was very important, only to find that perhaps they were based on premises that were shaky. eg. We respected our D's decision to not even consider applying to Penn State because it was way too large and too spread out. Now, every time she comes home on break, she makes a beeline to Penn State to spend time with her friends there because she things it's a great place and everyone likes it there. My S who felt that it was most important to be able to get a business minor or a dual degree was quite put off by the intro business courses, that he decided to take on a second technical discipline (fortunately at a school that's absolutely superb in both the areas he's into). So the question is - how much credence should one give to a child's (evolving) preferences?</p>

<p>The second area where I'm disappointed is my total lack of actually learning what can be done to make modest credentials look good, good credentials great, and great credentials translate to an outstanding application. (Or at least not make good credentials look mediocre). Both the kids wrote their own essays in their (differing) styles, took perhaps one out of three suggestions that my wife and I gave, perhaps a bit more from their GC when it came to revising the essays. </p>

<p>We thought my S's (genuinely true) feelings specific to Stanford in his essay - that his greatest academic love - computer science - started from an introductory Stanford/EPGY C programming course would resonate with them. We assumed his credentials ACT-35, 800 in math SAT by 7th grade, 800s in SAT-IIs, numerous math/comp programming/comp sci contests and EC projects, class rank 5/345, 7 APs starting with calc AB in soph year with all 5s, paid programming job and tutoring company he started in senior year, would make Stanford a match - he didn't even make the waitlist. Didn't get better than a waitlist in any of the 3 Ivies, and what saved him was that his first choice - CMU - came through (in retrospect, this is the best thing that could have happened). We know several students who we felt had lower credentials who were accepted, so we are no wiser when my youngest applies as to what works and what doesn't. So while we've lucked out with our first two, we have this uneasy feeling that we're still playing amateur night the third time around.</p>

<p>Perhaps you can give some suggestions on what you all learned in these areas - what did you feel was important while you were selecting schools that did or didn't actually matter after you were in, and what would you have done differently in the way you applied. I don't even want to address the issue of merit scholarships - an area where we again came out with nothing, but fortunately for us, it was secondary.</p>

<p>I would like to know the same thing too.
Also, I was wondering if anyone knew how to improve CR scores? From what I have heard, route memorization doesn’t work too well for the vocab… right now my CR score ranges from high 600s to low 700s, if im lucky. However, my math and writing are generally 770-800 (usually 800 in math and about 1/2 the time in writing)</p>

<p>I think when it comes down to it, admissions is a game of luck :confused: One thing that helps as far as choosing colleges goes is to visit the campus and stay a couple days if possible–not just on the school campus, but exploring the surrounding areas/city. Otherwise, I don’t really think there’s such a thing as a “perfect” fit college. There are bound to be some aspects of even your dream school that you won’t like. As long as you feel comfortable and can see yourself there, practically speaking, it shouldn’t be a big deal.</p>

<p>And as far as apps go, emphasizing participation and leadership are key factors in ECs. Demonstrating passion for a certain area (which it seems your son did- it’s unlucky and odd that he got rejected from Stanford/Ivies/etc) is most important through your activities. But the other important thing is essays–getting multiple (and by multiple, I mean 3, 4, 5) opinions on it is sooo important. Also, writing a first draft at the beginning of the summer after junior year and editing it every few weeks is great, because you can go back and look at it with a fresh eye. The essay conveys your personality to adcoms, and if you seem dull/boring/dangerous, it’ll drastically decrease your chances.</p>

<p>Lolruchi, I’ll repeat the same mantra - if you’re like my S & D and are having a hard time getting your SAT English score to high 700s, do a trial run with the ACT. My kids said the math was harder and the English was easier.</p>

<p>Things I learned after DS1:</p>

<ol>
<li>Suggest do not direct;</li>
<li>Breathe;</li>
<li>Accept that there is no one school that ‘fits’ and no one outcome that will work for that student; This is not the same world as the world in which Mom and Dad applied - and the schools one thinks may be a match for top students may not be - I actually think that, based on DS1’s experience with friends, that the students not at the ‘tippy top’ have an easier time of it because there is no HYPS view as they scan their horizons;</li>
<li>Hope that the student is willing to prepare as a junior so that fall senior year is not a constant paper chase and a prayer;</li>
<li>Keep on top of the GC, particularly in public schools but try to do so in a way that does preserves an alliance (easier said than done);</li>
<li>Breathe;</li>
<li>Accept that luck is an element of all this - high priced consultants may say otherwise, but it just could literally be that the adcoms have enough of your type of kid - they do not need the oboe player, or the state ballet company member this week. The pantry’s full of those and today a Mennonite who lived in Mexico on a llama farm looks mighty unique;</li>
<li>Kiss the kid - soon to be off and less in the parent’s world; make sure that the life they lead is one they pick - and with enough challenge but not crazy stress;</li>
<li>The earlier all the testing is done the better; the fewer retakes the better…</li>
<li>Breathe.</li>
</ol>

<p>I have two in college and two more to go (high school sophomore and middle schooler). Both of my sons are at their first-choice schools. That said, they got there in different ways (my oldest applied to one school only, ED at the University of Florida, , and my second applied to 10 schools and was accepted at five; now is a sophomore at MIT).</p>

<p>Lessons learned:
1.Apply to about 5 schools, or only schools the child will truly be happy at and no more
2.Prepare early; start getting things together in the junior year, including essay drafts and “Why (school)?” essays
3.Encourage schools with EA/ED app. options; being accepted early takes the stress out of the rest of senior year</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>