<p>Yea that whole german thing was pretty low but at least Calmom wasn't specifically attacking Columbia...</p>
<p>Mommathree, on the other hand, seems to have a vendetta going or something...
Mommathree, please enjoy the Cornell board- stay off ours.</p>
<p>I have not attacked Columbia and would never think to do so. As I said it is a fine institution.However these reported stats should have everyone wondering what is going on. As for the rediculous comparison of one of our countries finest schools-Cornell to less selective schools should also raise some questions in your mind. The whole numbers game is out of control.</p>
<p>That's alright guys. I stand above unreasonable attacks by some random ppl. I didn't get into the top schools of the world to get angry at some bad debaters with poorly-structured arguments. Oh, and for the last time: CU DOES NOT HAVE A PRE-APPLICATOIN!!! It's really not that hard to learn.</p>
<p>TRUAZN894853 I still see that you choose to not understand the point.Sons were not rejected THEY NEVER APPLIED but were counted as applicants. ARE YOU NOT REALIZING THAT THIS IS A GAME BEING PLAYED MOST LIKELY BY MANY SCHOOLS. I JUST HAPPEN TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WITH COLUMBIA BECAUSE OF THE LETTER, PHONE CALLS, E-MAILS,AND ATTEMPTS TO SET UP INTERVIEWS. THE LETTER THEY RECEIVED CLEARLY STATES THAT "YOUR APPLICATION" THERE WAS NO APPLICATION. YOU ARE TRULLY A ARROGANT FOOL.</p>
<p>Are you really a mom? You sound so aggressive.</p>
<p>May I ask a question of you? Are you always responding without thinking? You should ask yourself Why would someone who obviously is very proud of all of her children post a response that raises the question of ethics in all forms of media- I have nothing to lose or gain I am just concerned that media as a result of information PROVIDED to them will accelerate this whole admissions fury thus EFFECTING ALL FUTURE APPLICANTS. ALL THESE NUMBERS WILL CREATE A BLIST ON NEXT YEARS APPLICANTS. If these numbers are not questioned then THE GAME CONTINUES AT OUR CHILDRENS EXPENCE-YES, I AM A MOTHER</p>
<p>moma-three: I see your point as to the strangeness of Columbia's following up so aggressively even after you tried to withdraw your son's application. And I would love to know from an admissions person how apps which are incomplete are counted in the stats.</p>
<p>I do think one poster had a point, though, in that your son did not receive a rejection letter. I would hope that Columbia and any other school would only count those applications that were complete, and therefore did receive either a rejection or an acceptance, in their reported stats. It would certainly be an interesting question to pose....</p>
<p>Oh, and FYI to all who complain about "moms" on this thread:</p>
<p>this one was started by one :)</p>
<p>Yes this tread was started by a mom who was with good reason excited to hear this news because her s/d has chosen Columbia as his or her dream school. As parents we support our childs dreams and are thrilled when something puts their decision in more than favorable light. That mother has the same level of pride that any mother would feel and I wish her and her child all the best. I still think that all current accepted student as well as prospective students should not believe what they read. If anyone has chilren yet to apply to University they need to be sceptable about over reported applicants. I wish all students of the ivys,private non ivys and state schools all the best in the up coming years. Just remember that you were all blessed with brains to question any information put forth.I hope that our future leaders will adopt this attitude so they can make the world a better place to live.</p>
<p>"May I ask a question of you?"
Yes.
"Are you always responding without thinking?"
No.
"You should ask yourself Why would someone who obviously is very proud of all of her children post a response that raises the question of ethics in all forms of media- I have nothing to lose or gain I am just concerned that media as a result of information PROVIDED to them will accelerate this whole admissions fury thus EFFECTING ALL FUTURE APPLICANTS."
Most parents are proud of their kids, that's normal.
Why would you do it? I really don't know.
And yes, college admissions is getting more competitive and yes, it will affect future applicants. Do you honestly believe that this is going to change? </p>
<p>In general, I don't understand why you claim that CU tries to increase its number of applications by using a pre-application, which in fact does not even exist. It's not a pre-application, it's the first part of the one and only Columbia ungergrad application. As several ppl have already pointed out: They did not count your son's applications. I do not deny the fact that colleges try to increase their selectivity, but this is not done through nonexistent pre-applications. They send lots of emails and letters to prospective applicants, so they can convince more ppl to apply. They hold presentations at high schools, so they can convince more ppl to apply. But they don't use a nonexistent pre-applicantion to convice ppl to apply.</p>
<p>Peafire: calm down. I think momma-three was using the term "pre-application" to connote the first part of Columbia's app. It's nothing more than semantics. And I also think she raises an interesting question as to whether or not these "incomplete" applications are actually counted in the stats. I rather doubt that they are, but it's a question to which I would be very interested to know an accurate answer.</p>
<p>Are you still doubting the letter received just yesterday? My sons filled out a part one or a pre application what difference does that make THEY and all others like them were considered to be applicants THE LETTER THEY SENT PROVES IT</p>
<p>momma-three: FYI, I am not a mom of a CC student. I am a proud Barnard mom who keeps up with all the news I can about Columbia University by reading the Spec online daily. I just thought the article would be of interest to those on this board.</p>
<p>Good luck to your child in school!</p>
<p>The difference? Well here it is: A pre-application is used for colleges to prepare for your actual application. They advice you to send the pre-application if you consider applying. The emphasis is on consider. So just because someone sends his pre-application to college XY, it does not mean that he wants to apply for sure. But the 1st part of the CU application is just a normal part of the actual application. Brown has a 2 part application as well. So do all the commonapp colleges. So if you complete and submit a part of the actual application, it is different from sending a pre-application, because you don't just consider applying to that college anymore, you're already applying. </p>
<p>Also, how does the letter you sent prove anything? It says that his application was incomplete not that he got rejected. Also, I still don't understand why you did not call them to cancel the application.</p>
<p>churchmusicmom Sorry about that mistake. Lots of luck and I'm sure you are very proud of your daughters selection and acceptance. As a mom do you see a problem here with these reported numbers?</p>
<p>Pearfire there was never an application sent. Once Columbia had e-mailed us about missing info they were contacted by both sons. Columbia continued to contact them and were even requesting interviews. Two seperate gentlemen called one for each son asking to set up an interview.Once again,we called Columbia and E.Mailed that they did not apply. Sons never had highschool send transcripts etc. Why not just accept that something is wrong here?</p>
<p>I never send off my Chicago application and I got an interview request and tons of emails too. I don't see how you know that they counted those applications.
Maybe they did not process your withdrawal because they don't count it anyway? And since they were so busy, they just forgot to do it? Anyway, you don't have any prove that they actually counted your son's apps.</p>
<p>As I said when I posted the letter from Columbia "We are regrettaby unable to make a decision on your application to Columbia University.Although notices of missing material were sent to you via both e-mail and conventional mail,required documents were still absent from your folder as of March 29,2007. This letter was received yesterday April 5,2007 Columbia states pretty clearly that they were applicants. The whole point is that they were never applicants. They only filled out initial info and college board sent all scores.</p>
<p>Hopefully the truth about ALL reported applications will become pubic knowledge. Then the great marketing scam will be exposed. Well everyone I hope I shed some light on things and frankly I'm tired of discussing a topic that should have all students concerned as well as their parents.</p>
<p>"We are regrettaby unable to make a decision on your application to Columbia University.Although notices of missing material were sent to you via both e-mail and conventional mail,required documents were still absent from your folder as of March 29,2007."</p>
<p>This does not say that she got rejected though. None of the three application outcome actually occured: acceptance, rejection or waitlist. You can't derive from this sentence that they actually counted their applications. If you get an official statement from CU which declares that they counted them, then I'll believe you.
Just hypothetically: Withdrawals occur at any college, so CU wouldn't get an advantage over any other school. If what you say is really true then it'll probably be common practice among top colleges. TBH, admit rates belie the truth depending on what kind of student you are. If you're not a URM, legacy, development case or recruited athelete, chances are that the 8.9% are way too optimistic. Also if you apply during RD and are a needy international, you can only dream about a 8.9% chance. IMO, the 8.9% make CU sound easier to get into than it is for the vast majority of non-hooked kids.</p>
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<p>TIME TO WRITE A PAGE-ONE NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE EXPOSING THIS MONUMENTAL SCAM!! You write as if you are Sherlock Holmes cracking some great mystery. Except you're wrong on the facts and wrong on the analysis.</p>