<p><em>hoists altf4 up on my shoulders</em></p>
<p>Whoa there. Clam down son. No need to get our tighty whities in a bunch. </p>
<p>Although you may be in denial, it is indisputable that an HYSPM degree will carry over beyond the first job or graduate program. It stays with you forever.</p>
<p>"son"</p>
<p>hi dad.</p>
<p>"Although you may be in denial"</p>
<p>in fact, i have nothing to deny</p>
<p>"it is indisputable that an HYSPM degree will carry over beyond the first job or graduate program."</p>
<p>prove first. please provide solid research studies (as you have "done" in the past) showing HYSPM graduates triumphing over the rest of the world while the world genuflects in awe. and since when did C migrate out of your acronym?</p>
<p>Gutrade: i hope that you will clutch onto your Yale 2009 degree TIGHTLY, there's a chance that a UC graduate of competence/good character/solid work ethic will be your Boss someday...you might actually want to flaunt it in her face when you are out of a job (but of course, you'll still have that beloved Yale degree, so what do you have to fear right?). My point is: will you ever realize that Prestige/Name-Recognition WILL only go so far?</p>
<p>To all other CC'ers: Why do you think Gutrade feels the need to defend the beloved elite institutions by attacking the UC's?</p>
<p>The point is, Gutrade: give it a rest while you can. I don't see a reason for you to post at all if you are firmly confident in the prestige of your "elite universities." why not just let it be?</p>
<p>gutrade you have no idea what you're talking about. we all know a lot of harvard college graduates can't get into good graduate schools because the professors are mean, stuckup, reclusive, and downright nasty so their recommendations suck.</p>
<p>Although HYP have always been considered the "Big 3", I believe that was more applicable in the 80's, than today. I don't believe one school's prestige dominates over eveyone else anymore. The world/society has changed and shifted in it's persception of colleges/universities.</p>
<p>I hope everyone realizes that gutrade's is only one oppinion, and putting too much stock into it isn't the best idea. Gutrade himself wanted to apply to Cal, so it must not be too bad of a school. (the only reason he he didn't apply is because he missed the app. deadline) I really wish he would've made that deadline because I would've loved to hear his take on the UCs after he'd been denied by one of them.</p>
<p>damn and gutrade claims that Harvard took all the stuck-up elitist kids. u have some ego problems if you think that just going to Yale will give you an advantage over the UCs or for that matter, any other university that isn't part of HYPSM. Get a reality check and realize that work ethic along with a combination of many different factors (elitism is not one of them) will get you much further in the workplace than your Yale degree. Hell, don't forget this: Berkeley would STOMP Yale in engineering and most of the sciences, undergrad or not. We don't even need to get started on the graduate departments; Berkeley has some of the best programs (we're talking #1 or #2 here) in ANY department. Please, stop talking.</p>
<p>nice responses, all of you (except Gutrade of course)</p>
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<p>I just don't care anymore. I have better things to do with my time. Like stick needles in my eyes. </p>
<p>You really really need to understand that you're reading into this way way too much. Are you always this serious and sensitive?</p>
<p>I don't care though, this thread is off my radar.
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<p>On the one hand, you keep saying that you don't care. On the other hand, you keep responding. Why would you keep responding if you really don't care?</p>
<p>Yeah I don't understand why he's even wasting time on this board posting HYPed up nonsense. He's been in the Penn board insulting the school for quite a while too:</p>
<p>"Although Yale is part of the ivy league, I feel more loyalty to the HYSPM group than to the ivy league. (What the heck is the ivy league if UPenn, Dartmouth, Cornell, Columbia, and Brown ride off the prestige of undeniably almighty Harvard and Yale?)"</p>
<p>Honestly...let it slide guys.</p>
<p>People that get their jollies off ridiculing and slamming other universities, especially ones that are undoubtedly some of the best institutions of higher education in this country, are really not worth the time. There is no doubt in my mind that these sorts of people understand the worth of these "inferior" schools. They just want to ride on their golden acceptance letter as if it were a magic carpet for as long as possible. </p>
<p>It's really simple. Some people are accepted to their dream school, and immediately feel a sense of pride and accomplishment. Others take this emotion to an extreme and truly believe that admittance to a university alters their blood type, making them some kind of super human, capable of walking through brick walls. </p>
<p>There's no question about it; college can and will change your life. But putting other universities down because they're not part of the elite ivy league or something just as comparable is ridiculous. That's like slamming <em>YALE</em> because it isn't Harvard. Some people need to get a grip.</p>
<p>In the real world, your paycheck will not be printed on special "Yale Grad" paper. You will not leak "Ivy League" sweat, causing all other peasants to bow down before you the moment you step into a room. Your personality, future accomplishments and quality of life will not be heavily effected because you decided to attend a 'lesser' public university, or because you were lucky enough to attend and afford an elite private school.</p>
<p>Don't get me wrong. I hope to someday get my PHD, and I will most definitely be looking into Ivy League schools and other universities of similar caliber. But there will never come a time when I will find it appropriate to deem students of other schools as 'lazy' or 'unremarkable'.</p>
<p><3,</p>
<p>Izzie Bear</p>
<p>I agree with that.</p>
<p>nicely put.</p>
<p>In Columbia, all my cousins know:</p>
<p>1)Harvard
2)Princeton
3)Stanford
4)Duke
5)Baylor</p>
<p>Duke, the island few well trained doctors came from Duke, so that's the way to go for sciences.</p>
<p>Supposedly Baylor started some recruit thing one year, and ever since all islanders think it must be the school to get into if you can't get into HPS.</p>
<p>Ha at first, i thought that you meant that little school in New York . . .</p>
<p>While playing a yahoo online game, I talked to someone from Singapore and asked if he heard of UC Berkeley, she said no, though she has a nephew who goes to LA university (which I assume is UCLA).</p>
<p>Then I talked with an old lady from Japan and she has heard of UC Berkeley (very famous/good for sciences), but didn't comment on UCLA.</p>
<p>My Italian friend's father is a prof doing research at UCR, and he and his family were well aware of how strong Berkeley is long before having anything to do with the UC system. Many of his college textbooks were written by Berkeley professors and translated into Italian.</p>
<p>Gutrade--weren't you going to major in science at Yale? (I remember you from a while ago--I'm on a new name.) Did you not make it to uh oh let's see oh yeah--universities with better science programs?</p>
<p>Oh and what is "Baylor"?? Call me an ignorant Westerner, but I've never heard of Baylor. I don't think many people in my native state (not Cali) or in California have heard of it either. ??????</p>
<p>And Duke? I thought it was a university in the South comparable to Vanderbilt or something.</p>
<p>zip, don't be a punk- yale has fantastic science programs. I've never heard of baylor either- it's not the most well known school.</p>
<p>whats baylor?</p>