<p>You must be missing it........many people like to peruse the data.</p>
<p>So are the HS producing fancy. cookie cut students? Do they taste any different from non specialized HS schools?</p>
<p>Not cookie cutter..........much personal development happens. No they aren't the same as nonspecialized school students. Of course at either type of school one will find students who endeavor to make the most of what is offered to them.</p>
<p>tabbyzmom -- I concur w/ hazmat ..as you can see by the volume of views for this thread, many people in fact do like sifting through the details. For me, its all about a fascination with the process, and getting into the details helps me understand better how it (the college selection & admission process) all works. Specifically regarding the info covered on this thread, I already have some take-aways pertinent to my familys situation, like discovering exactly which colleges my kids HSs have solid relationships with (& feed a disproportionate share of their grads to) so we can assess if using that advantage fits with my kids desires. As I am just about deplete of interesting ways to analyze the matriculation data available, this thread will die off soon, but I certainly have learned much, and I hope others have, too.</p>
<p>itstoomuch -- So are the HS producing fancy. cookie cut students? Do they taste any different from non specialized HS schools?</p>
<p>I think what differentiates some of these HSs can be put into two categories: (1) selective admission to the HS for the more brilliants students (i.e., those which have high academic potential), and (2) preparation of the students specifically for college entrance, sometimes for targeted colleges. Stuy is an extreme example of a magnet-type school which pulls in brilliant students .no doubt that in itself contributes mightily to Stuys enviable placement record. Are Stuys graduates cookie-cutter? No, IMO, although I dont know any 1st hand, they are just brilliant (plus, Im sure the school does a great job at shaping that talent). For the private (or magnet) schools that have a history of college preparation, I think their competitive advantage is in knowing what their raw material is capable of, knowing what their customers (i.e., the colleges, and sometimes a very specific set of colleges) want, and how to shape that raw material, through years of experience, into desirable graduates. This is clearly a marketing viewpoint, and I know marketing in the context of education can be viewed with some cynicism, but this is what it is IMHO. </p>
<p>As an example, I think it was interesteddad early in the thread who pointed out that some private schools are very adept at providing athletes (like ice hockey players) to elite colleges. I was also intrigued by the St Johnsbury (Vt) example, where a disproportionate share of their 2003 graduates went to the University of Washington & the University of North Carolina .that to me was either a fluke or a case where some relationships must exist & students were specifically prepared for entrance requirements in those types of universities .Id bet the latter. The private schools that combine tailored college preparation with selective admissions, like Exeter, Collegiate (NY) & Harvard Westlake, are the standouts with elite college placement. And I dont think the prep school graduates are cookie cutter either, their schools have merely figured ways to provide targeted training & experiences to match targeted colleges, augmented by their history of connections so they communicate well with the targeted colleges. Do the graduates from schools reported on this thread taste any different from non specialized HSs? Perhaps to some degree with their specific experiences, but in the long haul, post college, all I can say is that I couldnt tell you which of my work-mates went to public vs private HS, nor have I ever had an inclination to ask.</p>
<p>PC: So how are you doing this compilation. cut & paste, db, speadsheet? or walking fingers?</p>
<p>I've been surfing through CC but had no intention of replying to any of the posts until now. Very interesting thread, although I haven't had the chance of reading all the data. My daughter (c/o 2002) and my son (c/o 2005) both attended Townsend Harris HS, a wonderful humanities school that no one has heard of in and outside of NYC! For parents looking for a NYC public school that offers a solid education, research Townsend Harris. </p>
<p>Townsend Harris High (NYC Public School)
One year only (Class of 2005- Class size: 284)
Average SAT score for Class of 2005: 1281
Scholarships offered to 2005 graduates:The 284 graduates in the class of 2005 were offered 923 scholarships for a total value of $32,600,000 or ($115,000 per student on average) </p>
<h1>1 NYC High School (Stats reported by NY Times)...Stuyvesant HS trails 2nd</h1>
<p>Website: <a href="http://www.thhs.qc.edu%5B/url%5D">www.thhs.qc.edu</a> (username/pw needed to see confidential data)
Review on school: <a href="http://www.insideschools.org/fs/school_profile.php?id=1096%5B/url%5D">http://www.insideschools.org/fs/school_profile.php?id=1096</a></p>
<p>Many kids go to NYU, very few to Harvard and Yale, and nobody has been accepted to Princeton for years. However, the kids pick out some other great liberal arts and Top-20 schools. </p>
<p>NYU A+S (49) / NYU Stern (3)
Cornell (16)
Boston College (12)
George Washington (12)
Barnard (8)
Columbia (7)
Johns Hopkins (5)
Tufts (4)
CMU (4)
Lehigh (4)
Colgate (4)
Brown (3)
Georgetown (3)
UPenn (3)
Vassar (3)
Villanova (3)
Amherst (2)
Dartmouth (2)
Emory (2)
Cooper Union (2)
Northwestern (2)
Duke (2)
Harvard (2)
Wellesley (2)
Swarthmore (1)
WashU (1)
Stanford (1)
Williams (1)
Haverford (1)
UCB (1)
UCLA (1)
UC (1)</p>
<p>CollegeYes-- great first post......THH is quite an impressive school. I'm not from the area, and you are right, I hadn't heard of Townsend, but I had heard of Stuy & Hunter.</p>
<p>itstoomuch......you had me there for a bit with the walking fingers.....took me a while to figure out what that was, and although I didn't employ that company or method, I wouldn't put it past some of the more marketing-oriented institutions.
To answer your question, mostly spreadsheet, but I wish I had done this in Access.....would have required much more up front work for naming standardization, though. All HS Top 20 lists are copied (or hand summarized) from school web sites into Excel to allow for a rank sort & calcs of those Ivy % statistics. All other analyses later in the thread are just compiled on summary sheets & manipulated. Thankfully, most HTML matriculation lists dumped easily into Excel, with #'s loading straight into a separate column...where that did not happen, I had to re-enter a separate matriculation # column. So I have a sheet for each of the 120 plus HS's, and about 10 summary sheets for various manipulations of Catholic schools, top publics, ways of assessing feeders, etc.</p>
<p>And, PC, you're doing this for Free? I bow to you.</p>
<p>Don't know if you have this for 2004:
Harvard-Westlake, N. Hollywood, CA. (My kids' school)
Amherst College 2
Arizona 3
Boston College 6
Boston University 3
Brown University 8
Claremont McKenna 3
Columbia University 13
Cornell University 8
Emory University 8
Georgetown University 7
Harvard University 10
Haverford College 3
Johns Hopkins University 2
Loyola Marymount University 2
Macalester College 1
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 2
Northwestern University 5
New York University 10
Pitzer College 2
Princeton University 4
Rice University 3
Stanford University 11
Tufts University 5
Tulane University 3
University of California Berkeley 9
University of California Davis 2
University of California Irvine 2<br>
University of California Los Angeles 6
University of California Santa Barbara 4
University of California Santa Cruz 2
University of Colorado at Boulder 2
University of Michigan 11
University of Oregon 3
University of Pennsylvania 15
University of Southern California 19
University of Wisconsin at Madison 2
Washington University - St. Louis 5
Wesleyan University 6
Yale University 5 </p>
<p>For a West Coast school, it seems like a lot going out of state (Stanford's so far away, it should count as out of state). Only 25 kids at the "local" schools, out of a class of about 270. I know one went to Oxford, another to Deep Springs, but those don't seem to be listed.</p>
<p>BurnThis-- yes, Harvard Westlake was first posted back on #52....I think its the same 2004 data. Hadn't done a separate analysis on Deep Springs, but did summarize (post 100) the HS's that I had found reference to matriculants attending....those were:</p>
<p>Harvard Westlake
St Ann's
Groton
Westtown (Pa)
Gilman</p>
<p>Obviously, there have to be more, but matriculation by one student to a school sometimes did not make it to a HS's web-published list.</p>
<p>I looked on the Deep Springs site, hoping to find where else their students originated, with no luck. That list would prove interesting.</p>
<p>One BIG California school still missing is HARKER ("big" in the sense of impressive matriculation stats)....if any insider would like to post or PM me w/ matriculation data, please have at it.</p>
<p>On my TO-DO list includes an index if I can get around to it to make new viewing of this thread a little easier for the first-time reader. I hope to do this after I finish other sorts & sieves. But first, I still plan to summarize feeders to the USNews Top 20 nationals that haven't been covered thus far (e.g., Chicago, Wash U, Vanderbilt, etc.) Other ideas?</p>
<p>And yes, itstoomuch, no remuneration, just the joy of CC participation!</p>
<p>As far as schools being "feeder schools" for Jesuit colleges, every public high school in Massachusetts has several kids at BC, and the Parochial hs's as well. My son's independent hs, with a graduating class of 24, has 2-3 acceptances to BC every year - it's down the street from his hs. Probably Sacred Heart in Kingston or Notre Dame Academy in Hignham has even more - where are they on your list? Big deal.
DS's hs also gets several acceptances a year to (in no particular order of significance) Barnard, Hobart/William Smith, with the topper being Ohio Wesleyan because of relationship over the years. A smattering of Ivies, and a boatload of LAC's (Skidmore, Vassar) I don't see the point here - there are so many more independents than your list indicates, maybe some school you've never heard of is getting everyone into Brown, or whatever.</p>
<p>yes, spikemom-- with only ~120 HS's with matriculation lists on this thread (out of the thousands of HS's out there), there is no way I would want anyone to think that the feeders mentioned are the ONLY ones......this discussion to me is only interesting within the context of the schools already reported herein, and those happen to have matriculation lists fully reported on their web sites. I have perused dozens of Jesuit & Catholic school web sites, and only a handful report those data....some report acceptances, some just give a matriculation list w/ no numbers, but most report nothing, at least for an outsider like me to see.....for instance, I couldn't find matriculation stats on the webs sites for Sacred Heart or ND Academy.</p>
<p>So, yes, with so few Catholic & Jesuit schools represented here, there's got to be more HS's feeding the likes of BC & others in a big way. I totalled up how many matriculants/year (for several example colleges) were accounted in the feeder stats of prior posts & divided by incoming undergraduate class size. This is to gauge how much a given university's incoming class is represented by the HS feeders reported on this thread....here are the results:
Princeton 12%
Yale 10%
Williams 11%
MIT 4%
Georgetown 9%
Boston College 4%</p>
<p>...meaning, BC & MIT for example, are relatively under-represented in the list of 120 HS's.</p>
<p>The WSJ survey mentioned 10 or 20 posts back uses a more thorough method of going straight to the universities for the data, but since the discussion on this thread is from-the-bottom-up using just matriculation data found on HS web pages, there's no way it will be even close to complete.......I'd argue that its probably a bit more representative of the Ivy feeders as it appears that the HS's that actually do post full matriculation statistics seem to be the ones which place more graduates at elite institutions, at least that's what I suspect.</p>
<p>Colleges Attended by Washington (DC) International School Graduates 2000-2005</p>
<p>This is an update of post number 67. The number of students going to Canadian universities is a reflection of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund policies which will pay all or part of the tuition of non-American employees who send their children to college outside of the US. Toronto and McGill are relatively close to DC.</p>
<p>Institutions: No. of Students
McGill University 16
University of Virginia 12
University of Pennsylvania 9
University of Toronto 9
University of Michigan 7
New York University 6
College of William and Mary 6
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 5
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University 5
Brown University 4
University of Durham 4
The George Washington University 4
Georgetown University 4
Kings College London 4
Macalester College 4
Oberlin College 4
American University 3
Clark University 3
Columbia University 3
University of Edinburgh 3
Princeton University 3
Sarah Lawrence College 3
Vassar College 3
Amherst College 2
Boston College 2
Boston University 2
Brandeis University 2
University of California at Berkeley 2
The Corcoran College of Art and Design 2
Davidson College 2
Duke University 2
George Mason University 2
University of Glasgow 2
Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine 2
Johns Hopkins University 2
University of Manchester 2
University of Maryland, College Park 2
Northwestern University 2
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 2
Rijksuniversiteit Groningen 2
Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland 2
Stanford University 2
Trinity College Dublin 2
Tufts University 2
University of Warwick 2
Washington University in St. Louis 2
University of Auckland 1
Universidad Austral 1
Bard College 1
Barnard College 1
University of British Columbia 1
University of California at Los Angeles 1
University of California at San Diego 1
Cambridge University 1
Cardiff University 1
Carnegie Mellon University 1
Central Saint Martins College of Art & Design 1
College of Charleston 1
University of Chicago 1
Colby College 1
Colgate University 1
University of Copenhagen 1
Cornell University 1
Dickinson College 1
University of East Anglia 1
University of Florida 1
Goldsmiths College, University of London 1
University of Guelph 1
Hamilton College  , 1
Haverford College  , 1
Indiana University at Bloomington 1
James Madison University 1
London Guildhall University 1
University College London 1
University of Malta 1
Manipal Academy of Higher Education 1
Maryland Institute College of Art 1
Marymount University 1
Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1
Middlesex University 1
Occidental College 1
Ohio Wesleyan University 1
Franklin W. Olin, College of Engineering 1
Oxford University 1
Pomona College 1
Queen Mary, University of London 1
Rhode Island School of Design 1
Rice University 1
Universita di Roma La Sapienza 1
Royal Holloway, University of London 1
School of Oriental and African Studies 1
School of Visual Arts 1
Smith College 1
University of Southern California 1
St. Andrews, University of (Scotland) 1
St. Marys College of Maryland 1
University of Sussex 1
Swarthmore College 1
Syracuse University 1
The University of Texas, Austin 1
Trinity College 1
Tulane University 1
Universidad de Chile 1
University of Vermont 1
Wesleyan University 1
University of Wisconsin, Madison 1
Yale University 1</p>
<p>The first number represents the number of students accepted, the second is the number that matriculated. This is for the class of 2004 and 2005 combined (average senior class size around 400-425) 80% attend 4 year schools, 16% 2 year</p>
<p>Adelphi University 28 2
Alfred State College 10 3
Alfred University 6 0
American University 26 5
Amherst College 1 0
Arizona State University 7 4
University of the Arts 3 1
Bard College 5 1
Barnard College 2 1
Baruch College of the CUNY 1 0
Berkeley College of NYC 3 1
Binghamton University 77 19
Boston College 8 1
Boston University 34 7
Brandeis University 4 0
Briarcliffe College 6 2
Brooklyn College of the CUNY 3 1
Brown University 4 4
Bryant University 7 1
Bucknell University 2 0
Buffalo State College of SUNY 16 2
Carnegie Mellon University 4 1
The Catholic University of America 5 0
Central Connecticut State University 2 0
College of Charleston 1 0
University of Chicago 1 1
City College of the CUNY 2 0
Clarkson University 8 2
Colgate University 2 1
Connecticut College 2 1
University of Connecticut 12 0
Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science & Art 3 3
Cornell University 15 11
University of Delaware 34 7
Delhi College 6 3
Dowling College 43 17
Drew University 4 0
Drexel University 5 2
Duke University 2 0
East Stroudsburg University of Pennsylvania 1 0
Eastman School of Music of the U of Rochester 1 0
Elon University 3 2
Emory University 2 0
Eugene Lang College, New School University 4 1
Fairfield University 27 3
Fashion Institute of Technology 8 5
Five Towns College 7 4
Florida Atlantic University 1 1
Fordham University 31 11
Franklin and Marshall College 2 0
George Mason University 13 2
The George Washington University 15 7
Hamilton College 1 0
Hampshire College 4 1
University of Hartford 27 5
Harvard University 2 2
Haverford College 2 0
Herkimer County Community College 4 1
Hofstra University 45 11
College of the Holy Cross 5 1
Hunter College of the CUNY 11 2
Indiana University at Bloomington 10 2
Iona College 7 2
Ithaca College 25 4
Jacksonville University 3 1
James Madison University 21 10
John Jay College of Criminal Justice of the CUNY 12 7
Johns Hopkins University 3 1
Johnson & Wales University 5 1
Keene State College 5 1
Kutztown University of Pennsylvania 2 1
Lafayette College 8 1
Lehigh University 13 5
Long Island University, C.W. Post Campus 58 16
Long Island University, Southampton College 5 0
Loyola College in Maryland 40 8
Manhattan College 12 2
Manhattanville College 3 0
Marist College 41 12
University of Mary Washington 14 2
University of Maryland, College Park 15 5
Marymount Manhattan College 3 1
University of Massachusetts, Amherst 22 2
University of Miami 10 1
Molloy College 5 2
Mount Saint Mary College 5 1
Muhlenberg College 1 0
Nassau Community College 36 11
University of New Hampshire 8 3
The College of New Jersey 6 0
New York Institute of Technology 18 6
New York University 26 7
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 2 2
University of North Carolina at Wilmington 1 1
Northeastern University 27 5
Northwestern University 2 2
University of Notre Dame 3 2
Oberlin College 1 1
Pace University 6 2
Pace University, Pleasantville-Briarcliff 5 1
Parsons School of Design, New School University 3 0
Pennsylvania State University, University Park 28 8
University of Pittsburgh 3 2
Plattsburgh State University 23 7
Pratt Institute 20 11
Princeton University 1 1
Providence College 14 2
Purchase College 28 5
Queens College of the CUNY 6 3
Quinnipiac University 38 4
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 9 0
Rhode Island School of Design 3 2
University of Rhode Island 40 5
University of Richmond 6 1
Rochester Institute of Technology 18 2
Roger Williams University 14 3
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey at New Brunswick 3 1
Sacred Heart University 21 7
Saint Joseph's University 1 0
Saint Leo University 6 2
The College of Saint Rose 6 2
Salve Regina University 7 2
San Diego State University 2 2
Savannah College of Art and Design 9 4
School of Visual Arts 12 5
The University of Scranton 32 6
Siena College 16 3
Skidmore College 5 1
University of Southern California 2 1
Southern Connecticut State University 4 0
Springfield College 4 1
St. John's University 20 6
St. Joseph's College, Suffolk Campus 26 6
Stanford University 1 1
State University of New York at Albany 82 21
State University of New York at Buffalo 30 5
State University of New York at New Paltz 59 12
Stonehill College 6 2
Stony Brook University 92 31
Suffolk County Community College, Ammerman 170 115
Suffolk University 4 1
SUNY College at Brockport 20 5
SUNY College at Cobleskill 15 5
SUNY College at Cortland 45 10
SUNY College of Environmental Science and Forestry 5 1
SUNY College at Fredonia 18 1
SUNY College at Geneseo 51 12
SUNY College at Morrisville 6 2
SUNY College at Old Westbury 21 4
SUNY College at Oneonta 60 9
SUNY College at Potsdam 21 3
SUNY at Farmingdale 54 19
SUNY Maritime College 9 6
SUNY Oswego 41 6
Syracuse University 26 9
The University of Tampa 7 3
Temple University 6 1
Towson University 17 4
Trinity College 1 0
Tufts University 4 2
Tulane University 6 0
Union College 4 1
Vanderbilt University 3 1
Vassar College 4 1
University of Vermont 10 0
Villanova University 18 6
University of Virginia 2 2
Wagner College 2 0
Wake Forest University 2 2
Washington University in St. Louis 2 0
Wesleyan University 5 2
Western New England College 5 0
Wheaton College 3 1
College of William and Mary 4 2
York College of Pennsylvania 8 1</p>
<p>Well, lets switch from Jesuit to Jewish.......in looking over Jewish & Hebrew schools, I was finding the same paucity of data as I did with Catholic & Jesuit schools, but then I stumbled across the mother load on a new school's web site (Chicagoland Jewish HS, first graduating class in 2004), reporting on the 2004 matriculation results for a dozen or so other Jewish HS's across the US. Most of these schools are fairly young and generally have small graduating classes.</p>
<p>Here's the reference web site:
<a href="http://www.chicagojhs.com/matriculation.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.chicagojhs.com/matriculation.htm</a></p>
<p>I'll post each school below.</p>
<p>I found it interesting that after one strips away the local & Jewish college placement factor, the University of Md stood out to me as a common destination.</p>
<p>Note that these data are not available on any of the reported schools' web sites....the Chicagoland Jewish HS did the inside work for me.</p>
<p>61 in class</p>
<p>1 University of Pennsylvania (8)<br>
2 Barnard College ( 4)<br>
2 George Washington University (4)<br>
4 New York University (3)<br>
4 University of Maryland (3)<br>
6 Binghamton University (2)<br>
6 Boston University ( 2)<br>
6 Duke University (2)<br>
6 Ithaca College (2)<br>
6 Pennsylvania State University (2)<br>
6 Temple University (2)<br>
6 Vassar College (2)<br>
13 Brandeis University 1
13 Cornell University 1
13 Dartmouth College 1
13 Drexel University 1
13 Hamilton College 1
13 Hampshire College 1
13 Hofstra University 1
13 Jewish Theological Seminary/ List College at Columbia University 1
13 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1
13 Muhlenberg College 1
13 Reed College 1
13 Sarah Lawrence College 1
13 Skidmore College 1
13 Syracuse University 1
13 Tufts University 1
13 Union College 1
13 University of Delaware 1
13 University of Hartford 1
13 University of Miami 1
13 University of Michigan 1
13 University of Wisconsin 1
13 Washington University (St. Louis) 1
13 Yale University 1
13 Yeshiva University 1</p>
<p>5 in class</p>
<p>1 Jewish Theological Seminary/ List College at Columbia University 1
1 New York University 1
1 Tufts University 1
1 University of Kansas 1
1 University of Maryland 1</p>
<p>45 in class</p>
<p>1 Boston University (3)<br>
1 University of Maryland (3)<br>
1 University of Massachusetts-Amherst (3)<br>
1 Washington University in St. Louis (3)<br>
5 Clark University (2)<br>
5 George Washington University (2)<br>
5 Harvard University (2)<br>
5 Northeastern University (2)<br>
5 Tufts University (2)<br>
5 University of Rochester, N.Y. (2)<br>
11 Barnard College 1
11 Bates College 1
11 Brandeis University 1
11 Columbia University 1
11 Jewish Theological Seminary/ List College at Columbia University 1
11 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 1
11 New York University 1
11 Occidental College 1
11 Syracuse University 1
11 Trinity College 1
11 University of Arizona 1
11 University of Chicago 1
11 University of Michigan 1
11 University of Pennsylvania 1
11 University of Pittsburgh 1
11 University of Vermont 1
11 University of Wisconsin-Madison 1
11 Wesleyan University 1
11 Williams College 1
11 Worcester Polytechnic Institute 1
11 Yale University 1</p>
<p>23 in class</p>
<p>1 University of Indiana (3)<br>
2 Jewish Theological Seminary/ List College at Columbia University (2)<br>
2 University of Denver (2)<br>
2 University of Kansas (2)<br>
5 Bradley University 1
5 George Washington University 1
5 Grinnell College 1
5 Loyola University-New Orleans 1
5 McDaniel University 1
5 Middlebury College 1
5 Stephens College 1
5 Tulane University 1
5 University of Arizona 1
5 University of Missouri 1
5 University of Redlands 1
5 University of Southern California 1
5 University of Wisconsin 1</p>