<p>thanks xiggi, good stuff. So the number of campuses applied per unique (freshman) applicant is fairly steady, but there’s been growth in unique UC applicants (19.1% last season, 10.7% this season).</p>
<p>of course to be fair, one should also acknowledge that there exists a lot of applicant overlap among the non-UC schools on the list:</p>
<p>Case Western +25% (>18,000)
Boston U +19.4% (52,532)
Stanford +5% to +6% (38463 to 38829)
Columbia +5% (33,460)
Duke +0.4% (31,741)
Brown +0.22% (28,733; more to count)
Penn +0.00% (31,219)
Dartmouth -3% (22,400)
Boston College -26% (~25,000)</p>
<p>This quote would indicate that BC’s actions were part of a bigger plan…</p>
<p>“John L. Mahoney, director of undergraduate admissions at BC, said the drop in numbers was a strategic decision to lower the quantity and increase the quality of the applicant pool.”</p>
<p>This would suggest that the implications to those who applied would be minimal.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to see if they increased their early action admits. I could not find that data</p>
<p>while we are all patiently awaiting more app numbers to be published, I thought I’d share one particularly egregious example of application counting with what appears to me at least as a PR motive.</p>
<p>I’ve always wondered if there are some schools out there double counting ED applications deferred to the RD round or at least using them to shrink their RD acceptance percentages. I have no evidence of this but looking at all the ways schools have fudged their numbers in the past I wouldn’t be surprised…</p>
<p>@Sue22, that’s a valid question. Do schools publish separate ED and RD counts?</p>
<p>As for the whole BC thing, I find it interesting. Personally, I didn’t blink an eye at writing another essay; I’d come to expect a new one for each supplement. I don’t have a whole lot of interest in BC, either. Regardless, I did apply, so we’ll see what happens. </p>
<p>Dartmouth’s predicament is similarly curious. It’s worth it to mention that both BC and Dartmouth extended their application deadlines and still didn’t break even with the previous year. Plus, Dartmouth doesn’t even require a supplemental essay.</p>
<p>Regarding Dartmouth, it is good to remember that it had the highest growth in applications among all Ivies for the Classes of 2011 and 2016. It is not unusual to have a correction after a high spurt of growth.</p>
<p>I would tend to give the benefit of the doubt to the Naval Academy due to their unusual application process. The Service Academies are unique in their Congressional endorsement requirement and multiple mandatory interviews as well as a physical fitness test, among other things.</p>
<p>My guess is that many students start the application process without fully understanding that the process involves far more than writing a couple essays. If nothing else, the commitment level to complete an application is far more demanding than any other school.</p>
<p>rmldad- my understanding is that a good chunk of those non-actionable apps counted were from attendees at a summer program who were exploring USNA. Granted the process at USNA is certainly more onerous (that is, more hoops than just a few extra essays), counting thousands more who never actually applied (but at some point showed interest) is apples and oranges to the intent of the CDS definition of “application.” My problem lies with the PR angle on this…its reasonable I contend that the common reader equates growth in applications and selectivity statistics as a comparable across different schools. Hence, when one school like USNA makes a big public splash and doesn’t put some qualifications in about how their count, and thereby their selectivity, is measured differently than everybody else, its deceiving to the reader. From the articles I’ve read and the history of USNA apps & selectivity reporting, including how the other service academies report, looks like they did this ‘knowingly’ to me. Perhaps I am too much a stats-manipulation cynic.</p>
<p>Sue22- online gossip regarding the drop in Dartmouth apps speculates the much-publicized Rolling Stone article from last year about fraternity hazing may have had a negative impact. However, IMO these kind of flucuations are to be expected especially for a school like Dartmouth, as xiggi points out, that has seen a meteoric growth in apps over the last several years.</p>
<p>Off the current topic of discussion, but can Brown’s +0.22% rise(and more to count) be related to the fact that Emma Watson (a.k.a. Hermione Granger from Harry Potter) is going to attend Brown in 2013-2014!! :P</p>
<p>I’m sure that a few people out there would have applied with this in mind too!!
( I didn’t though – Just felt that Brown had too many essays).</p>
<p>Papa- I’d agree with you about Dartmouth. My comment on statistical manipulation had more to do with the general michegas we’ve seen a few school engage in in a misguided attempt to look increasingly more selective.</p>
<p>I do wonder whether some schools’ PR machines are sending out information like " only 10% of students considered in the RD round were accepted-2,000 of 20,000" when in reality 4,000 of those considered were deferred from the ED/EA round.</p>