<p>That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. I can guarantee you you will not feel the same way once you actually have children and raise them you will devote your life to whats best for your children. You will want to be proud of your children and giving them a college education will leave them debt-free out of school which will be extremely practical considering you will want your grand children to have the most comfortable life possible. Leave your kids on their own and theres 50/50 chance they will end up stealing on the streets / "getting a job." If you want what's best for your child you will support whatever they need as long as it's best for your future. </p>
<p>Leave your child out on their ass when they're 14 and see how good they will take care of you when you are old and in poor health. You take care of your children they will take care of you. </p>
<p>And don't give anyone the crap of "Ill never need anyones help." I'm expecting a story of how your grandparents lived to be 140 years old and never asked their child for assistance.</p>
<p>HinmanCEO - Actually CivE (structural) - CUNY. I plan on going to graduate school for engineering (ME) and doing a thesis on new building materials using carbon nanotubes which may be the key to putting up skyscraper of unimaginable height and strength. I'll be doing extensive research on the pyramid in tokyo bay
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimizu_Mega-City_Pyramid%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimizu_Mega-City_Pyramid</a>
And my dream is to be able to one day see the begining of construction on the pyramid. It's just a shame none of us will be around to see the completion.
Although CivE may not be quite as difficult as EE or ChemE or CE, The reason I chose CivE is my absolute infatuation with Skyscrapers and large residential towers. I am not worried about making millions of dollars or how hard I have to work, mostly because I enjoy learning the topic. Heck, if presented the opportunity I'd LOVE to do research for a major university on the PhD level.</p>
<p>Husband has a Doctor client who has an undergrad engineering degree and then went to medical school. He says the undergrad in engineering helped prepare him for medical school (workload, studying, etc). He is one of the best doctors we know from the best of both worlds!</p>
<p>Notre Dame Al - Of course, I wouldn't doubt it. A Engineering student + pre-med = loads and loads and work and can really help make you or break you. I'm sure if you can handle Eng+pre-med simulatenously, Med School will still be difficult but you have the fundamentals to keep up with the mental strain. Plus, you most likely would have already gone bonkers by then lol.</p>
<p>i586... you are harsh. i agree kids should work to get what they deserve. i only plan to pay "in-state tuition + room and board".. if they want to go to a private school, they should take loans for the difference. I hope they can get a scholarship :D but I think you are going a bit too far. I won't wait until they are broke to help them up. Hopefully I would have raised them well enough that even if they decided to go to a private university, they won't be in massive debt due to saving up money and etc.</p>
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That has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. I can guarantee you you will not feel the same way once you actually have children and raise them you will devote your life to whats best for your children. You will want to be proud of your children and giving them a college education will leave them debt-free out of school which will be extremely practical considering you will want your grand children to have the most comfortable life possible. Leave your kids on their own and theres 50/50 chance they will end up stealing on the streets / "getting a job." If you want what's best for your child you will support whatever they need as long as it's best for your future.</p>
<p>Leave your child out on their ass when they're 14 and see how good they will take care of you when you are old and in poor health. You take care of your children they will take care of you.</p>
<p>And don't give anyone the crap of "Ill never need anyones help." I'm expecting a story of how your grandparents lived to be 140 years old and never asked their child for assistance.
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<p>Thats what you think, but I wont help them. sorry. My mother doesn't give me anything but what I need(as mentioned above) and has raised me and my brothers the same way as I said above. We all Turned out fine and we have all planned to let her retire early and not to have any worries. So again you re wrong. There is a difference between respecting your parents due to them giving you everything you want and you only respect them to continue this, and actually havening pure respect for your parents. I respect my mother greatly and have already guaranteed her that she would never have to worry about money after I graduate from school.</p>
<p>I may be harsh hinmanCEO, and I have even harsher opinions on child discipline. All I know is that it worked for my mother and her sisters, and it worked on me and my brothers. I don't believe in spoiling children and I don't believe in being my kids friend over there parent.</p>
<p>I really will have to agree with UriA702. I assume most users in this forums are nor married. It's hard for us to say that we will not care a lot about are kid, because we don't have kids yet. I have been told numerous times that the parents wish the very best for the kids and they always want their kids to be better than themselves.</p>
<p>I would say doctors. Medical school is a lot hard to probably get in, seeing that only 47% get accepted yearly. They have to go through a lot more tests and training to be able to practice medicine. Even afterwards, they still have to take tests to see if they're able to keep up with new advancements in medicine. Though, becoming an engineer is still hard. I had a friend who dropped out of engineering school after a year or so and became a teacher.</p>
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If they want to go to college thats great and fine, I will support them. But I wont give them a cent for it. I have piratically been on my own since I was 14, I still live with my mother, but i need to pay for everything and have since I was 14. She provided what I needed, clothes food shelter, everything else I worked for. I never got gifts or anything like that, if I wanted it I worked for it. I turned out great and I will raise my kids the same. I don't believe in spoiling a child and giving them a free college education is spoiling them. Even if I had the money, I wouldn't give em a cent. If the were to fall, id help em back up, but just so far. They get Shelter, school supplies, food and 3 shirts and a pair of pants per year. Thats all they need to survive, if they want more, they can GET A JOB.
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<p>lol..just coz your parents were mean and didn't help you out with college DOESN'T mean you should screw your kids over too. My dad makes over 200K a year and doesn't give me anything..PLUS he f**ks up my chances of getting any aid..i don't even get loans..but i'm not all angry and bitter about it...</p>
<p>So the Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid is 2004 meters tall. If the elevator goes 5m/s on average, it would take 400s to go from bottom to top. Very practical design.</p>
<p>It depends. Many engineers in the US enter the workforce directly with a bachelor's degree (B.S) only. Even though engineering majors are probably the hardest of all undergraduate majors, that is still much easier than getting a B.S. first, then going to a 4-year Medical School to get an M.D. degree and passing the several licensing examinations that are required to practice medicine in the United States. </p>
<p>Engineers however who want to pursue a career in research in industry or who wish to qualify as university professors will most likely have to get a Ph.D. degree, becoming doctors themselves. That might take between 5 and 7 years of additional full-time study beyond the B.S. degree and is usually IMHO much harder than Medical School, not least because, to get a Ph.D degree, in addition to taking advanced classes and passing several exams, one must make a significant original contribution to knowledge in his/her field of study. In the case of engineering, that normally means proposing, discovering, or deriving substantially new methods, processes, theories, or algorithms that either solve a problem which was previously unsolved, or solve a problem in a way that is better/more efficient/more general than previously known solutions. It is also expected that results arising from one's PhD dissertation may become publishable in peer-reviewed journals.</p>
<p>youknowme - I am assuming this isn't the first time engineers have been faced with a problem that needed solving?</p>
<p>I doubt elevators will be used for transportation from bottom to top. I'm pretty sure some sort of multi passenger pod system will be enclosed within the large round hollow carbon supports that will shoot you up and down the pyramid. I'm pretty sure the original inventor of the sky scraper was told "nobody will go that high it'll never work"</p>
<p>UriA702, I'm glad you posted that link, that project seems very awesome and so does the other ones listed on wiki... we beter get cracking and build those things =D</p>
<p>and to reply to those who say getting a PhD in engineering is harder than getting a M.D.... I think both are about the same, but the doctors get more fame, more $, and more job security. my mother is a researcher, but she works at NASA and is a civil servant, so she has job-security... but i KNOW that research is very very hard. its so hard to get funding. but there are always sick people. doctors are more well off than engineering phd's. my point is not to encourage people to be doctors and not become phd's in engineering. my point is both professions are extremely tough and only do it if you are motivated (not by $) and you got a passion for the work.</p>
<p>i personally see myself getting master's. if i am talented enough, perhaps a MBA(my chances are unknown :p all depends on my company).</p>
<p>To become a doctor takes a crapload of hard work, with above average intelligence. To become a decent engineer takes more than above average intelligence and moderate hard work. That's the difference. To be a doctor you have to work very hard. To be an engineer you have to be very smart. If you're having trouble deciding why not do both? Become an MD/PhD.</p>
<p>HinmanCEO- Thank you very much you put it into better words the point i have been trying to get along all week. PhD's are by no means sub-par to any other Doctorate available. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that those of us who will go on to receive a PhD will be able to pursue a career in academia (specifically a professor at a university) Which may not be the greatest paying jobs available, but my oh my, one of the most rewarding career options available. Even though professors are forced to be publish or fail to receive tenure I don't think I'd pass up such a wonderful opportunity, </p>
<p>It's just a shame the way this country is pushing people away from pursuing a career in academia but not rewarding good teaching, just rewarding publications.</p>
<p>UnseenShadow - I don't agree. A very high level of intelligence is required to do either. Engineers are not "smarter" than MDs or lawyer's or financial analysts. They are different people with different interests that pursue different goals. There are brilliant Medical Doctors and there are feebleminded engineers as well. </p>
<p>Something about this board is that it is very quick to label students of specific majors of lesser/higher intelligence. NOT TRUE to any extent. Why does an engineer need to be more intelligent than an MD? It is all about the effort you are willing to put in.
William Shakespeare - PlayWright, Ludvig Van Beethoven - Classic Music Composer, Michio Kaku - Theoretical Physicist. All equally brilliant, despite subsisting in different historical periods and achieving completely different milestones in history.</p>
<p>dude, just because we are engineering majors does not make us any smarter. truth is, i know PLENTY of idiots that graduate from engineering in 5+ years (not saying you are an idiot if it takes you a long time) but my point is anyone can be an engineering MAJOR. you can go to a community college and transfer to a crappy state U get C's and pass. MY friend who has a 1600 on her SAT's. she was majoring in comp E and then switched to finance and pre-med. does that mean she got dumber? not really, her SAT is still the same. what if she switched from pre-med to engineering, does that make her smarter? not really.</p>
<p>i think engineering undergrad is one of the hardest if not the hardest, but to say you are smarter than someone just because you are an engineering major is total BS. I know plenty of english majors and humanities people getting A's in calc1 and 2. what about you? i doubt all engineering majors got A's in math. so stop being so ignorant. you don't need to be smart to be an engineer. you need to be smart and hardworking if you want to be a great/successful/achieving engineer. i know engineering majors who end up as technicians(nothing against them) or are called "interns" since companies don't wanna pay up until they prove their worth.</p>
<p>in fact, ill even reach out on a limb and say, my college, UMCP, ranked top 25 in undergrad and #16 in grad for EE, is FULL of stupid, idiotic, failures of students. :-( people who fail classes in the spring, only to retake it in the summer and fail as well. i wonder how they would do in pre-med or business... they would fail as well. lol im done</p>
<p>though there is no proof hinmanCEO that that crappy state U student with all c's is not going to be the most revolutionary engineer of our time. you cant prove that, and its happened before.</p>
<p>The school means jack ****, somebody that goes to the last ranked abet school for CSE could turn out a company like Google, yahoo,MS, just as fast as the top school guys. Going to a better school doesn't mean to much in this day and age where if you are starting your own company, nobody cares where you went to school since you are your own boss. My friend From UB, who just dropped out was a C student in CS. He got C's but was the best programmer I have ever known. He started his own company and has had Venture Capitalists give him 6 million already for his idea. He already has a Contract with the ups store and Amazon.com. So hes a c student from a crappy state u. whats up with that?</p>