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<p>It depends on the location and kind of position you’re looking for.</p>

<p>Some types of lab positions (particularly those in hospital wet labs) will require state and/or national licenses. Research asst type positions thru universities or private laboratories most likely will not.</p>

<p>There is a legal requirement that all jobs must be publicly posted for a minimum period (I believe it is at least 1 week) before they can be filled.</p>

<p>At D2’s school, the department maintained a list of RA-types job postings which were updated weekly. These were principally at other university and med school research labs.</p>

<p>D2 was also kept apprised of potential jobs by the PI of her undergrad research lab and the dept chair (with whom she was taking a class) both of whom who knew she was looking for a permanent full time position. Most of the positions they told her about were mentioned in advance of the actual job posting appearing. D2 still had to wait for the job opening to be posted to apply.</p>

<p>One of the profs in D2’s department was relocating to another medical school at the end of the school term and offered D2 a job as his research lab coordinator (basically head RA). He knew she was graduating and was looking for a permanent job. (D2 didn’t tell him; the dept chair did.)</p>

<p>In the end D2 found her current job (at a Top 10 med school), by sending out individually tailored cold inquiry emails along with her CV to research groups working in her areas of interest at this particular school. (She had personal reason for wanting to be at this school.) She asked if they anticipated any job openings and, if not, could the recipient suggest any research groups that might have openings. Several of her original inquiries (she sent out around 15) were fowarded to other PIs. Two of the forwarded inquiries resulted in interviews. And one of those interviews became a verbal job offer. (D2 still had to wait for the position to be publicly posted and apply through the university’s employment office. All legal formalities still had to be oserved.)</p>

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<p>The best way to ensure you have support in seeking position is to speak with any of the professors you have a cordial relationship with and let them know you are looking for research lab job. Respectfully ask if they would keep you in the loop about any opening they may hear about. Check back with them periodically. Once they’ve passed on any information they have–it’s up to you to follow through on it. The profs cannot ‘get’ you the job. You have do that yourself.</p>

<p>You should also check with your school’s Career Center and your major department office since they will also maintain a list of job postings. </p>

<p>I would also suggest that you make a list of potential places (universities, hospitals and private research labs) you’d like to work and start routinely checking their job postings to see if any positions open up. You could even start sending out inquiry emails. (Be sure you’ve done your research first. Be able to speak about how your skills and interests would fit into their program.)</p>

<p>RA positions are quite competitive. (At D2’s undergrad lab, her PI received over 45 resumes for one research coordinator position.) Cast a wide net. Polish your resume, highlighting any unique and relevant lab or other skills you have. Learn to write a good letter of inquiry. And network. Network. Network.</p>

<p>@ somemom: Just to be clear, im only doing this AFTER I finish my undergrad. i.e. in 1.5 years. hopefully I can try to establish as high of a trend as possible in that time. Hopefully that, combined with strong grades in retakes, with a good MCAT score, and with job and life experience should put me through to an SMP if worse comes to worse where I can’t apply directly to MD programs.</p>

<p>Getting these jobs would be easier with a bachelor’s degree anyway. I am interested in working in urban areas - mostly either my current city, or the NYC/Boston area as these places have the most opportunity for me to volunteer/shadow as well as other medically related activities that I could pursue.</p>

<p>@ WowMom:</p>

<p>It seems that having a cordial relationship is the key. This is problematic considering the fact that all I did last year was basically skip class, labs, etc. Moreover the fact that I failed these classes should make these proffessors apprehensive towards helping me. How do I start over and show them that I am willing to work hard and have changed myself since last year?</p>

<p>You start over by attending class, turning in homework etc. </p>

<p>You also go to office hours early in the term to have a conversation with them about how you’re turning over a new leaf and ask how you can improve your performance. Don’t make excuses. Don’t offer explanations. Just listen.</p>

<p>In the end, though, talk is cheap and it’s your actions and behavior which will determine whether your profs have any respect for you at all. Make sure you follow through on your plan.</p>

<p>And one word–stop smoking weed now. Jobs at many hospital and research settings require a pre-employment urine test. Some employers also require that you submit hair samples for drug testing.</p>

<p>Somemom and WOWMom, </p>

<p>I thought your daughters went straight through to med school after college. Guess not.</p>

<p>WowMom - ive been clean for over 2 months and counting. I don’t plan to near weed or anyone associated with it ever again. I have learned my lesson the really hard way.</p>

<p>Nope. Neither D went straight to med school. </p>

<p>D1 was not a bio major and didn’t decide she wanted med school until just before graduation. She spent 2-3 years afterwards taking pre-reqs while working at multiple part-time jobs to support herself. D2 graduated this year and will spend the next 2 years as RA at a top med school. She’ll apply next cycle, likely as either a MD/PhD or MD/MS Engineering. She wanted a mental ‘break’ from academics before med school. (But the joke’s on her! Her research group has her taking graduate biophysics and BME classes starting next month as part of her employment…)</p>

<p>My DD did a glide year between UG & med school, for her this was the right choice. She was ready for a mental break from school and then, in short order ,looking forward to getting back into an academic peer group which was a great attitude to begin med school.</p>

<p>She did sports in UG and few med school related ECs, she needed her senior year to do shadowing & other med ECs, followed by the research year. Plus she took all upper division science courses her senior year which allowed her to show a strong trend upward (all As that year) as well as connecting with professors who both referred her for the research job and also did LORs. At a huge state flagship, that senior year was critical for getting out of the 1200 student Ochem and into the small upper division classes so there was an opportunity to connect with profs at any sort of personal level.</p>

<p>Most importantly doing all those things allowed her to confirm for herself that this is the path she wants. Med school is arduous, classes are rigorous, her school says they do 4 years worth of units in 2 years, but it is also tough in terms of delayed gratification. She is not married, no kids, yes some of her classmates have all those things, but DD is glad she can be 100% selfish as she pursues her education. Yet attending friends weddings, seeing prior classmates buying houses and cars and boats when she is taking educational loans, that is rough, one needs to be sure they are pursuing their dream and that they understand how it works in real life, what the path to MD/DO looks like.</p>

<p>@ somemom: Some people do have it worse than taking educational loans and going to med school. While that isn’t as great as having a house, car, and kids, its at least better than some people who - for example- are on academic probation and have no immediate forseeable future. I would rather be drowning in debt, but be in med school than be where I am right now.</p>

<p>Honestly taking 1-2 years off before med school isn’t that bad. I would actually welcome that. Im looking at 3-4 at least. And I know what all of you are going to say “there are plenty of people older, people in there 30’s, 40’s blah blah” that enter med school. That’s a fraction of the med school class, and frankly starting med school that late in life, while admirable for the dedication, isn’t very practical at all. Oh well, I just hope that being older and going to med school will benefit me with real world experience, and having some money, even if the majority of my class is a couple years younger than me.</p>

<p>Along way,
Starting med school in your 30s and 40s is practical if your dream is to be a physician that helps people and certain things in your life have prevented you from achieving it earlier. However I understand that for you it’s not practical because it doesn’t accomplish your goal of attaining “high status”.</p>

<p>AW- my point was not whining about DD, my point was, taking the time off before attending med school makes the med school process easier for my DD. You have this dream to be a doctor, but make sure you know how your life will, in a word, suck, during the ten years before you are a doctor. Not a week, not a month, plus or minus TEN YEARS of intense training.</p>

<p>You sound too much like you want medicine for prestige and that means the reality could be disillusioning.</p>

<p>@iwannabebrown: Its not related to prestige at all - more closer to common sense. If your dream is to be working 80+ hours a week in residency in your 40’s or 50’s then by all means go ahead. Seeing as to how the majority of 1st year med students are 22-23 years old, thats an indication that there is an appropriate age for doing certain things. Im already worried that ill be a non-trad student in my mid-late 20’s when im in med school. </p>

<p>@ somemom: I know why I want to be a doctor. I have my reasons, and if I see them through, the prestige will come automatically.</p>