<p>Are there any tips to handling this? Do you need to send an official transcript of any college classes taken in high school, or can you just send a copy? Or should you have the GC send in a copy of the college class transcript along with the official hs transcript? I don't think our high school will put it on the transcript. How is it factored into GPA, or isn't it? College class was taken summer before senior year.</p>
<p>I have never seen an application that didn't expect official transcripts for all previous courses at the secondary and college level. My son already has transcripts from multiple schools, and has to submit all of them to apply to subsequent schools, including his current high school. Put in your transcript requests early.</p>
<p>Thanks for the heads-up; it's like a full-time job to keep up with all this.</p>
<p>The transcript needs to be sent directly from the college where classes were taken to the college(s) where the student is applying. Whether or not college classes are factored into the high school GPA depends on the high school and the courses; however, many college adcoms will deconstruct high school GPAs anyway and will take particular note of courses taken in college.</p>
<p>My S audited some college classes (he was not allowed to take them for credit) and did all the homework and took all the exams. He was given grades by the instructors;but these were converted into Pass on his high school transcript. He asked the instructors to write to his GC a letter including his actual letter grade; when he applied to colleges, these letters were sent in addition to his high school transcript and his college transcript.</p>
<p>We had the same questions last year, now d is in her frosh year. D took 5 college classes in H.S., at 3 different unis. One was summer entering sr yr. I definitely agree, send all college transcripts for each application. However, if you have the choice on whether to put the college courses on the H.S. transcript (varies according to H.S.) in the end, I would choose (and we did) to put them on the transcript. Her H.S. gave her full-year courses credits, weighted, for all 5, and her GPA and H.S. rank were recalculated.</p>
<p>It was interesting to find out during admission visits last year that different schools handle college classes different ways. Two private colleges (Pepperdine and Univ of San Diego-the Cath. one) said unless they are on h.s. transcript and in H.S. gpa, we don't count them. In other words, they don't recalculate H.S. gpa. Another (Stanford) said college courses don't belong on H.S. trancript, but we need to see transcripts and we definitely look at them. USC said we completely recalculate gpa, and wouldn't say how they are looked at. UCs it doesn't matter, no transcripts are submitted beforehand. They are definitely entered on the UC app amongst the high school courses, so I am sure they are counted. When they are, they count for 2 semesters of high school weighted credit, so they really make an impact on weighted gpa. My d's admission offers confirm this to me, as there is no way she got into the competitive schools she did without them.</p>
<p>If you are in cali, I don't see why they couldn't be added to transcript, as most publics calculate weighted gpa the same way that the UC does.</p>
<p>As for managing the sending of tests and transcripts, yes, that was my task last year. I made a hand-written matrix by school what was needed, then what was sent, and then, I always made sure to confirm it. To make sending the college transcripts easier, I had them all sent to me at one time, then I sent them by return receipt to all colleges she applied to. This way, I was sure they were sent. More work, yes, but I slept better. There in fact was an error on d's first name on her test scores sent and I'm glad I checked that too. I heard a story aboutone kid at UCSD that happened to, so we resent all test scores with the corrected name to be safe.</p>
<p>Getting credit for the courses once enrolled as a frosh at the uni varies a great deal. D went to UCLA. She has heard on 3 of the 5 classes, and for those 3 she was given elective transfer credit and 4.5 quarter units of a G.E. class that it equates to but NOT enough to clear the respective G.E. requirement for that class, since its 5 quarter units. So she will have to take a course anyway to clear requirement. It appears that she will be a sophomore after 1st Quarter frosh year, and cleared one writing class and one history req from APs, but her college classes articulated so far only gave her elective credits. This would be true at USC too. I believe at Stanford she would have received no credit at all. I am not sure about Berkeley. One class d took was Berkeley extension, a 4 unit semester class (translation of that at UCLA should be 6 quarter units), and one that Berkeley states they accept as a regular Berkeley undergraduate course. However, UCLA did not give it full credit, so it really only means she got 4 elective quarter units. The two classes she hasn't heard about yet are Yale classes taken in the summer before sr yr., but I doubt that she'll get any G.E.s cleared from those if they didn't give it with the Berkeley course.</p>
<p>So I guess they help you get in, except where the schools don't look at them unless they are on the transcripts.</p>
<p>In my first pass at this with the GC, I think she said they don't put college classes on the transcript (that would be "work", heh heh).</p>
<p>I could request that they do so, but not sure if it would even be beneficial in the long run, and so maybe not worth the fight. The grade was a B+. The majority of d's grades are A's, including many weighted honors/AP....so I guess the weighted B+ would bring down her GPA??? Do you get a 1/2 bump for the plus part?</p>
<p>I guess I will need to check with each school; most likely I will order a bunch of the transcripts to be sent to us and then send them out (in original sealed envelope) myself for each school, as you did. So far two schools that I've asked said it was OK to do this. We don't have all the schools picked yet, but this way I'll have some transcripts on hand to send at the drop of a hat. Then the school can do what they want with it.</p>
<p>It seems odd that they wouldn't count it unless on the transcript, since I'm assuming ours isn't the only hs that doesn't put it on the transcript.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tips; you've covered many of the same schools d is applying to.</p>
<p>One other thought, I'm having my D send descriptions of the college classes along with her admissions packet so the colleges can know exactly what was covered in a class (sometimes the titles don't convey this very well).</p>
<p>If the college course grade is a B+ I wouldn't put it on the h.s. transcript. There is no bump for the "+" on a normal high school 4.0 scale. It would take down the weighted gpa and the unweighted gpa, both of which schools consider. </p>
<p>My info above about how each college calculates gpa is a year old, so I would recommend re-confirming the answer as to how college courses are considered if they aren't on the h.s. transcript at all your college visits. </p>
<p>Thats a good tip to include the course description and maybe the syllabus with the transcript--I would do that when they ask for the offical transcripts-- we didn't do that yet. As for UCLA, I don't think its not sending the description of the course that has gotten my d only 4.5 quarter units when the same UCLA course is 5 quarter units. These courses were articulated in the ASSIST program as transferable to UCLA from this CC. They are basic intro courses. Lets just say that each UC does what they want to do, and although we thought them being approved from this cc to UCLA specifically in ASSIST for transfer meant that they transferred "cleanly" they in fact don't give them full unit value. It turns out that the College of Letters and Science at UCLA has their own articulated course list, and some cc courses are accepted from some campuses and the same course at another cc is not accepted. </p>
<p>D will petition, so we'll see.</p>
<p>Our S who applied for colleges last year just mentioned on his apps that he took Statistics course over the summer at college but didn't submit transcripts until he decided which school he was going to attend. He didn't want to bother sending the transcript all over for just that one course (tho he did get an A in it & it was summer after 10th grade). USC did give him credit for the course, but it merged with all the AP credit he got (he exceeded the max 32 semester hours credit you could receive anyway).</p>
<p>The HS would NOT consider any grades earned anywhere outside of the HS campus in calculating GPA & class rank & would not list it on the HS transcript. The HS did list all standardized test scores (except AP exams) on the HS transcript. The counselor mentioned S's AP test scores in his rec & S self-reported them on his apps as well.</p>
<p>One reason I've heard for not putting the college course on the transcript and including the GPA is that it would not be fair to students who want to challenge themselves and are willing to receive lower grades in much tougher courses than their classmates. </p>
<p>My S included a catalog description of all his college courses in his application. The title alone was not sufficient in describing what the course was about or its level.</p>
<p>Our kids' HS gives no particular reason for not including grades not earned on its campus in GPA & class rank, but I'd suspect it's because they don't want to have to evaluate how the work done elsewhere would compare with work done at its campus. I believe there are quite a few students who do coursework elsewhere--at colleges, sometimes other summer schools & distance learning. The HS has a great regard for its own teachers & curriculum & also doesn't want to dilute it, I believe.</p>