Transfer chances, please?

<p>My daughter is interested in transferring from Smith College to Brown. Her H.S. stats were:</p>

<ul>
<li>#3 out of 250. </li>
<li>SAT 2170 (V710, M700, W 760). </li>
<li>SAT II scores of Bio (750), Math II 720. </li>
<li>AP Bio (5), AP Amer. Hist. (4). </li>
<li>She is the Rensselaer Medal Winner from her school (best science student), and also the Harvard Book Award winner; both won in her junior year. </li>
<li>National Merit Scholarship Semi-Finalist, and finalist. </li>
<li>As a Senior took three more AP courses (English, Stats, Calculus AB) </li>
<li>GPA is a 4.1. </li>
</ul>

<p>Her GPA at Smith is currently a 4.0 after first semester, and her courses right now are Org. Chem., Cell Bio., Intro to Neuroscience, Portuguese, and Ballet.</p>

<p>She wishes to major in Neuroscience.Please advise as to chances? Thanks a bunch!</p>

<p><em>BUMP</em> Anyone?</p>

<p>i think your daughter has a solid chance, particularly because in addition to a solid performance, she (I assume) may give compelling reasons for transferring (the undergraduate neuroscience program at brown is particularly strong, as are the research opportunities)</p>

<p>She is also a STRIDE scholarship recipient at Smith; one of only thirty women honored to do research in their first two years. Thanks for your feedback, anyone else????</p>

<p><em>BUMP</em> Please respond?</p>

<p><em>BUMP</em> I'm sorry for the continual bumping, but I've only received one response. Figure I'd try at least one more time. :)</p>

<p>Great chances. a 4.0 at smith is AWESOME. Also, being a neuroscience major, she can play up the amazing neuroscience program at Brown, which will help a lot in her case for why she wants to transfer. </p>

<p>Unfortunately only 20 or so transfers were accepted this year so the outlook for everyone is pretty dismal. But that said (and I think numbers will go back up a bit this year, because people complained and there was surplus housing), I think she has a good shot. </p>

<p>I'm a transfer myself. Have your daugther AIM message me at NapoleonInRaggs and I'd be glad to answer any of her questions or give application tips.</p>

<p>What are those application tips? Anyone else. March 1st is coming quickly. Thanks.</p>

<p>BTW I didn't say thank you claysoul. That was rather rude of me.</p>

<p>she seems to have pretty amazing stats ... please just keep in mind that it is much, much harder to be admitted to brown as a transfer student than as a first year applicant, so even though your daughter clearly qualifies, she needs to really show brown why her abilities are extraordinary ... make sure that the personal statements are very strong and really show her passion in neuroscience ...</p>

<p>Thanks Jerseygirl. She will do just that. Everyone has said how hard it is to transfer to Brown rather than get admitted as a first year (although that's tough as well). ;) She's a good writer, and I am sure she will get her message across strongly. We're concerned about the numbers of admits for transfers; but we have no control over that.</p>

<p>It's actually hard to say whether it's harder to get into Brown as a transfer than a freshman. The year I applied, it was easier (20% or so accepted -- though the applicant pool is usually of a stronger caliber, so who knows, really). This last year, it was significantly harder. It all depends on how many people they admit, and that's really up in the air. I'd reccomend asking an admin officer if the number will go up from this last year, if only for piece of mind.</p>

<p>Application tips: </p>

<p>TYPE your application. Don't fill in the forms by hand. DL adobe acrobat and fill out the forms. Make sure everything is attractive and impecable. It really helps. </p>

<p>Draw up and send in a mid year grade report, especially if your grades are good. You can get one from a school like Oberlin that requires it and adapt it for Brown (agian, do this on the computer). More good grades can only help. If you do something impressive after you send in your application, or realize you forgot to include it, send an update lettter! I took glass blowing my second semester and was pretty good at it, so I sent in a mini portfolio (I had previously sent in an extensive ceramics portfolio) and I sent in a letter about an everglades restoration trip i went on over spring break and some work that i did with a club that i forgot to mention.</p>

<p>All your ec's, awards, and work experience don't fit on the form you've been given? No worries. Add a sheet of paper or draw up your own form. Include EVERYTHING </p>

<p>Your essays, I think, are the most important, so make them impecable as well. Make them fun and catchy to read, even with something as simple as little line at the end that ties everything together. In your transfer essay, show that you've really done your homework. Expressly say what you're looking for and why Brown has it and Smith doesn't. Mention details, like the neuroscience department's cutting edge research with microchip implants for paralyzed people and partnership with NIH, or the newly expanded biomed center, or things like the RA's not being disciplinary and why that's great for you (those are just some examples I used (and I used a lot more)...you obviously don't have to use them). My point is be specific, very specific, about why you want to attend Brown. But don't just write about changing schools, write about how your school has affected you and what you learned or how you've grown. I also reccomend sending in a supplementary essay that's just a personal statement like you would send in as a freshman. Write them a good while before they are due so you can revisit them and look at them with fresh perspective. That way they will be their best. Get people to edit them, but at the end of the day, listen to your heart about what you really want to say. Also, get rid of lines, even if they are clever or eloquent, that are not directly tied to the point of your essay. Make them as concice as possible (an essay that goes over the word limit is fine if it is concise). Concise essays are easier to read. You never want your essay to be boring or laborious to read!</p>

<p>On the note of supplementary material, send that stuff in! If you have an art portfolio, or did science reserach and wrote up an article/journal about it (I'm presuming your daugther did something special to win that award), or something similar, by all means send it in. Or if your ec's are ambiguous (i.e. their significance is not clearly conveyed by the mere mention of them in the ec section) send in an appendix expalining them. Like I would send in an appendix explaining that the Renesselar Science award and Harvard Book award are such and such...etc. A page from my book would be an appendix I sent in explaining a science apprenticeship I did, (it probably would have looked like science camp if I hadn't explained what I had done and how impressive it was that I did it as a freshman) and a rugby camp I went to (that would have looked like little league camp if I hadn't explained that it was tryouts for the national team for which 50 people nationwide were selected). But don't send in anything repetetive or unimportant as supplementary material (e.g. DON'T send in a resume -- make your ec section your resume). That is of course a judgement call and up to you. But I err on the side of sending in everything possible that showcases who you are and what you can do. </p>

<p>Call in and ask an admin person a question (one of substance) and get their name and number. Next time you have a question, call the SAME person. Build a relationship and you may be more than a name on a piece of paper come to admissions time. I was actually lucky on this front -- when I applied, it was the year they changed the fin aid system to allowing fin aid for transfers, and the system was very unclear so I had all sorts of questions. I called and asked questions and ended up having a conversation with the dean of transfer admissions about it (he actually called me!), and I think he was impressed by me. I think that actually iced my acceptance to Brown. </p>

<p>If there's still time, retake your SATS and ACT's. It can't hurt, and you may even improve your score!</p>

<p>If you're really good at a sport (this may not apply) get in contact with the coach and see if they can vouch for you. I did this with rugby, and though rugby is not varsity and cannot recruit, I think the nudge was helpful and if anything allowed my rugby accomplishments to be clearly conveyed by a "professional" (coach). If you are considering varsity (even as a walk on) DEFINITELY do this. </p>

<p>Now these are obviously just my opinions, but I think they are pretty solid. I applied to college 3 times, and I think by the third time, I finally got it right.</p>

<p>(I applied as a freshman to Harvard, Brown, Pomona, Stanford, Yale, Tulane, Colo St, and U Oregon, and was accpted only to the last 3. I then took a year off (was already planning on it), and applied to Tulane, Wash U in St. Louis, and Brown (rather half-heartedly -- parents didn't want me to...long, mean story) and got into the honors program at tulane and was waitlisted at Wash U and Brown -- and eventually rejected. Then I applied as a transfer from Tulane to Penn (legacy), Oberlin, Vassar (rugby recruit), Swarthmore, Wash U, Yale, Brown, Pomona, Tufts, and Puget Sound. I was accepted to Penn, Brown, Swarthmore, Vassar, Puget Sound, and deffered at Wash U (never followed up). So, in summary, I think I got it right the 3rd time around)</p>

<p>Good luck!!</p>

<p>I guess you did! Thanks so much for the feedback and kind wishes. My D will be sending in her application next week, as she is finishing up her essays.</p>

<p>"SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIALS: Supplementary application materials such as music tapes, art slides and/or writing samples should not be submitted; they are not required and will not be reviewed."</p>

<p>-from Instructions for Transfer Candidates</p>

<p>Thanks. We saw that on the website as well. She does not have any to forward, so that is not an issue. It's really a crapshoot isn't it?</p>

<p>And you say I'm thorough. Seems like you did quite a job Rachel.</p>

<p>FWIW, lostincode, they can say what they want, if you send it they're more likely to look at it then if you don't. I sent in a ton of supplemental stuff as a freshman (more encouraged then) and believe me I'm positive it was that material that made a difference.</p>

<p>Ah okay. How long after the app deadline did you send your stuff in? I plan on sending in a recording next month and I hope it's not too late...</p>

<p>o.k., now I'm confused. The website says do not send anything else in, so my D will not be doing that. I read somewhere that Brown takes 200 transfer students, but folks on CC are saying much differently. It appears those numbers have been inflated greatly.</p>

<p>They used to take right around 200 every year. Last year due to a very high yield from the incoming first-year class and fewer students going abroad/off-campus etc, only something like 20-30 students were admitted.</p>

<p>That's a huge difference! Will all transfers be admitted after the March 1st date, or is there another deadline? It appears that taking 200 applications on March 1st is a lot of students. They must have close to 1000 applications for that number to be considered.</p>