Transfer from CSU to UC

Transfer Students UC Transfers
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<p>Okay, so I basically want to transfer from a CSU (Sonoma state) to a UC (Davis). I'm really not happy at sonoma, not much goes on and it seems like I just kind of go through day to day. I'm losing motivation, and my grades are reflecting that. </p>

<p>I'm in my first semester of my sophomore year, and I don't really have a whole lot of units. I failed three classes last year and I feel like I'm just sort of stuck in this rut. Having the hardest time finding a job and really doing well overall here. My question is, how do I go about transferring. I know its very difficult to go from a CSU to UC, so I'm wondering if I should enroll at a community college, make up the classes I failed and catch up in my units so I can transfer. </p>

<p>Should I enroll at sonoma again next semester, and fix the classes I failed, or should I go straight to a community college and go from there? Will the units from sonoma transfer to a community college (not really sure how it works, but ultimately I want to end up at a UC). Will my units from Sonoma ultimately end up at the UC (davis)?</p>

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<p>Go to a CC…</p>

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<p>Will my units from sonoma eventually end up transferring to my UC of choice?</p>

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<p>Sorry Sonoma State didn’t work out for you. It’s a great smaller state school but not for everyone. What you wrote here is what you want to do and express to a UC. If you can fix the classes you failed at Sonoma I would do that but you don’t have to. It really depends what classes they were and how interested you are in them. If they are basic lower division classes then its fine taking them at a CCC. If you have been working on GE classes they should all transfer to a CCC and become a part of the IGETC. DVC and ARC are some of the best CCC’s somewhat near you that you should consider. There are ways to work around fixing your GPA from failed classes but typically home institution where the classes were originally taken is the easiest method but not the only one.</p>

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<p>They will cross them out and consider them not completed but it would knock your GPA percentile down until retake them. IF you take the class at a CCC a UC will still see your academic record as a flag will pop up that you attended Sonoma State. If you tell them the feelings and situation you explained here, its not like they are going to look down on you.</p>

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<p>Yeah Sonoma is very nice, no doubt and I thought I would love the smaller school, but I’m not a very social person and I’m having trouble with it. I know a TON of people at Davis, and NOBODY here. I feel like if I’m shelling out the amount of money it costs to go to college, I should be enjoying it to the fullest extent; and i’m not. I failed a couple math classes and one GE (PHIL 101), and i’m going for an electrical engineering major (so the math classes are very important). I’m just worried if I retake the classes at sonoma, they wont transfer over to the UC and I will have wasted even more time/money.</p>

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<p>So you’re saying I should talk to an advisor (or admissions) at Davis and explain the situation and see what they recommend/can do? I went to high school across the street from DVC so I’m very familiar with it and would probably go there.</p>

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<p>No, just when you are ready to transfer. You still have a lot of work ahead of you but if you keep on track will be fine. There is a lot of fairly affordable housing around DVC and they have the greatest number of class selection and sections to be able to transfer to UCD for you next to ARC. DVC has an excellent math department with great tutors, both student and degree’d, to assist you for free. If you would like me to help you form a class list, schedule track, major and/or educational goal that you will need for DVC if want to get financial aid and the right classes let me know. You want to follow UCD’s GE pattern and match that to DVC’s sections and leave 2 to do upper division.</p>

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<p>For sure. Thank you for the help. I’m not worried about housing…at least not until I get to UCDavis. I live within a mile from DVC so thats no biggie. My biggest question is if I should continue at SSU for spring 2011 and fix the classes here, or if it will be easier (as far as transferring to UCD) to go to DVC next semester, fix the classes there and catch up as far as units go. ( i’d like as many units as I can get to transfer.)</p>

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<p>It would be in your best interest to attend DVC for Spring 2011 semester. In the CSU you are in a different system with different rules about time frame and what year / level you are. Math and Phil 101 won’t be difficult to fix and just complete at DVC as that transcript (and to a greater degree your GPA) will become your main one basically. You want to apply for admissions soon and will have to send them a copy of your transcripts from Sonoma State. I get the impression you are more playing catch up. If you can knock 30 units in GE type stuff within a year, and do well, you can try and TAG with UCD from DVC next November for the following year. I actually have many friends that live right around DVC too since I went there for 3 years.</p>

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<p>Okay, so my units from sonoma will transfer to DVC? Or will I ultimately need to re-take the classes I took at sonoma at DVC for credit at UCD? Minus the three classes I failed, I have a 3.0 GPA, but I need 60 units to transfer, right?</p>

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<p>At this point a 3.0 isn’t bad at all for having failed 3 classes. I really don’t know what classes you have completed thus far but what is your final goal objective say 10 years from now when you start settling into a career. Do you like design, management, field work and do you like small offices being a paper pusher or larger type companies. Do you want to become more a Electrical Engineer, Electronics Engineer, or Computer Hardware Engineer? Are you looking to start working soon to get and build some experience or first get a BSEE and wing it? Are you interested in mainly designing computer electronics or want to broadly apply an Engineering degree to larger R&D and Industrial or Manufacturing type Engineering? Do you plan on going into business for yourself and getting your PE or just an EIT? There is no easy route but if you had a better idea of what your passion is then I could recommend some things. Personally I think the best related program at DVC for the best balance between theoretical and hands on that has the edge these days is AET. If you want to learn electronic principles i.e. AC, Ohm’s law, Fourier wave analysis etc then the best program to take is Electrical/Electronics Technology.</p>

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<p>Well, I have a 3.0 not including the 3 failed classes (I’ve either had B’s, or F’s. It’s an odd combo, no doubt.) In reality my GPA is currently around a 1.6 until I can fix those classes. </p>

<p>So far, I’ve completed (with at least a B-) English 101, Physchology, Programming I, Intro to Engineering & Lab Exp., and after this semester I’ll have Intro to Biology, Macroeconomics, Geography, and Discrete Math for Engineering. </p>

<p>I highly doubt the Engineering classes will transfer, and I’m alright with that. Except for maybe the programming class, everything else is just basic lower division GE, so I’m hoping to get as many of those to transfer as possible. </p>

<p>As for my failed classes, those were a result of my stupidity. I took pre-calc my first semester, hated the professor, slacked off and just didn’t really care. Then I must have had the mindset that I somehow still managed to learn the material so I took Calc I my second semester. (I know, I’m a moron for that one) struggled like you wouldn’t believe and failed it. As a result of the issues in calc, I lost track of my Philosophy class, and at the last minute had like 3 papers due, that I ultimately was unable to complete in time, resulting in an F. So basically I have to makeup pre-calc, calc, and philosophy. All of those are basic GE classes as well (i think?).</p>

<p>As for what I want to do down the road, I’m not even sure. Due to financial reasons and housing arrangements Sonoma was the prime option, and the only EE was the only engineering program they had, so I went with it. So far, I have not been impressed at all. I really don’t like it. I know Engineering is where I want to be, I’m just not sure which focus of engineering I want to be in. I have the creativity, and the interest in it, but I know I do lack some of the more technical abilities (which is why I’m in school I suppose! haha). I’ve been taking apart, building, modifying things such as everything on my truck, ALL of the computers I’ve ever owned (since I was like…6) and every electronic device I could get my hands on. I’ve always had a MAJOR interest for designing and building things, and it’s part of every one of my hobbies, so I know engineering is where I want to be. It’s where I grew up basically.</p>

<p>Originally in HS before I really started looking at specific colleges, and more majors, I was most interested in Mechanical Engineering. I tried to get into Cal Poly but I knew with my grades and financial situation there was no way. Now I am kind of trying to re-explore all my options as there is no way I will succeed in the situation I’m in now. I know a TON of people at Davis and Santa Cruz and I’ve had a couple people tell me that Davis has a pretty good engineering program and it’s fairly close to home, which is a must. </p>

<p>I’m not entirely sure how I’m going to break this one to my parents, but I’m just trying to get as much info as I possibly can about what I need to do before I go for it. The financial situation will definitely be a challenge, but I think if I could find a job (which I have been unsuccessful here at Sonoma for the last year) then it might be doable. Tuition is about twice as much, and then housing on top of that (I live with family here near sonoma, and that won’t be an option at say, Davis or Santa Cruz). </p>

<p>I talked with an advisor at Santa Rosa Junior College this afternoon and they want me to come in and actually speak with a counselor so I can get more details on what will transfer and what won’t. I’m not sure if I should stay up here in the Sonoma area and go to SRJC or if I should move back home and attend DVC. I know the social situation will be much better back home, which I think has proven to be a major indicator of my motivation academically. But I’m still trying to figure everything out.</p>

<p>Wow…that’s a long post. haha.</p>

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<p>arsci2,</p>

<p>I think there are some things you need to have clarified and others to think about. I thought in order to have a grade of F replaced you have to retake the exact same course at the same school you received it from. You can take similar courses at a CCC and get credit for them but the Fs from Sonoma State will remain on your transcript unless the courses you failed are repeated at Sonoma State. When you apply to UCD in addition to your CCC transcript you will also have to submit your transcript from Sonoma State.</p>

<p>Electrical Engineering is a major that is very math intensive and you will have to take a minimum of three semesters of Calculus, a semester of differential equations and three semesters of calculus based Physics to get a degree in EE. However, you mention that you received two Fs in math classes at your CSU which are going to be on your record unless you retake the courses at Sonoma State. Frankly, I can not imagine UCD or any other university admitting a transfer student with two Fs in lower division math courses on their transcript unless there was an acceptable explanation for it. What math courses were these and why do you think you failed them? Is it because you just did not take them seriously and did not study or did you simply not comprehend the material? Although SAT scores do not need to be submitted by transfer applicants, I believe your SAT math score will be crucial to your chances of acceptance into UCD’s EE program. If you had a score of over 650 UCD could be reassured that you have a high enough aptitude in math to succeed in engineering and that the Fs were the result of other factors that will not be repeated. On the other hand, if your math SAT score was less than 550 it could be an indication that engineering is just not a realistic choice of a major for you.</p>

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<p>That is why I made this thread…to find all this out…</p>

<p>If you read my last post (granted, it is a bit long), I explained that I slacked off in pre-calc and was a moron and continued onto calc and struggled, obviously. My SAT math score was 550, which was the reason I started out in pre-calc. </p>

<p>I don’t know how the units transfer. I’ve read so much from so many different sources, that I don’t actually know how ANY of the units transfer for sure. I am fully aware of the intensity of math. Just because I failed a couple classes doesn’t mean I lack all common sense. </p>

<p>Basically what I’m gathering from your post is that because I failed the math classes, that even if I was to retake them at a community college, or junior college, I would still not be even considered for acceptance from UCD? How is that possible? I was told by my advisor that I could retake those classes at a CC or JC and they would be replaced?!</p>

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<p>If he got 2 F’s in Math he should at this point drop out and do his entire all the Math and Physics classes you mentioned on the CCC level. He will still need like 4 or more after that even for a BSEE. The Sonoma State grades won’t even matter as much once he gets the GE and lower division requirements done. It’s still going to take him like two years to do all that not even counting technical skill building and academics. </p>

<p>Since you are already familiar with the Pleasant Hill-Martinez-Concord-Walnut Creek area I’d recommend going back ya. It sounds like SR just isn’t doing it for you so don’t think going to SRJC is going to change your motivation, inspiration, or feelings about the place. I like SR but wouldn’t want to live there even though some of my friends like it better. I have mixed feelings of the PH-WC area that is mainly due to that it gets hotter in the summer and cooler in the winter than other parts of the greater bay area. </p>

<p>Thx for the info so in regards to your transcript you are in a good position. I’m hoping and guessing by Psyche you mean General Psyche and by Geography you mean Physical Geography right? No worries if not but if that is the case.</p>

<p>If English 101 is English Comp for the requirement that is English 120 at DVC and that is all you need but the second English usually Lit or something close is preferred to UC’s.</p>

<p>The next IGETC/GE Requirement category is a critical thinking. At DVC the best critical thinking classes are the Phil and History ones but there is an English one and others but whatever.</p>

<p>Discrete Math for Engineering should count towards your math requirement for IGETC but you would have to end up taking like 10 math classes, at least 5 from calc onwards. </p>

<p>Intro to Bio will take care of your Bio graduation requirement even though more bio is recommended for UCD.</p>

<p>If Geography is Physical then that takes care of your physical science requirement although that does not good towards your major since you will need at least 3 physics to be a competitive transfer.
You also still need a lab too but can do that in physics not geography, unless like it.</p>

<p>Programming I is Intro to Programming 4 units</p>

<p>Really all you need is either that Phil 101 which would be better to do at state but don’t have to and if did at DVC wouldn’t matter either which way. The State GPA would stick unless did another semesters or years worth of classes to qualify for academic renewal.</p>

<p>AN EE can work and learn from anywhere from 6 to 10 years before is adept in his niche.
There are a lil overlap but as you are learning the math you might as well learn the design aspect now instead of putting it off. THis is Mech but the Civ one is good too…</p>

<p>CHEM 108 Introductory Chemistry 4</p>

<p>ENGIN 120 Engineering Drawing 3</p>

<p>ENGIN 122 Principles of Mechanical Drafting 3</p>

<p>ENGIN 126 Computer-Aided Design and Drafting AutoCAD 4</p>

<p>ENGIN 226 Computer-Aided Design Drafting, Advanced Concepts - AutoCAD 4</p>

<p>MATEC 120 Introduction to Machine Technology 4</p>

<p>PHYS 110 Elementary Physics 3</p>

<p>Plus at least 3 units from:</p>

<p>ENGIN 111 Mathematics for Technicians 4</p>

<p>MATH 121 Plane Trigonometry 3</p>

<p>Plus at least 3 units from:</p>

<p>ENGIN 239 Statics and Strengths of Materials 4</p>

<p>MATEC 121 Machine Processess II 3</p>

<p>MATEC 222 Introduction to Computer Numerical Control 3</p>

<p>Plus at least 3 units from:</p>

<p>ARTDM 160 3D Modeling and Animation I 3</p>

<p>ENGIN 129 Introduction to SolidWorks 4</p>

<p>ENGIN 222 Principles of Structural Steel Drafting 3</p>

<p>ENGIN 223 Principles of Pipe Drafting 3</p>

<p>Total minimum required units: 34</p>

<p>Associate in science degree in Mechanical Design Drafting Technology (DataTel code AS.ETMDT.D)
SLO#1. prepare, interpret and revise technical drawings using computer aided drafting (CAD) and design software.</p>

<p>SLO#2. use geometric dimensioning and tolerancing according to ANSI standards.</p>

<p>SLO#3. develop technical drawings using geometric construction and descriptive geometry.</p>

<p>SLO#4. perform basic machine processes.</p>

<p>SLO#5. identify the role of computers and CAD in mechanical drafting.</p>

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<p>I meant English 122 not 120
and…
by 5 onward I mean on the CCC level to be competitive and really 6 to complete just the core math requirements. Since that will take at least 2 years you might as well do your physics, a major and degree that Financial Aid will fund and get you started in the field.</p>

<p>Macro Econ will count for your Social/Behavioral but the UC’s would rather see Micro from you, just saying.</p>

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<p>Here is what is listed on my unofficial transcript:</p>

<p>Fall '09</p>

<p>CS 115 Programming I 4.00 4.00 B- (B3)
ENGL 101 Expos Writing&Analytic Reading 3.00 3.00 B+ (A2)
ES 110 Intro to Engineering&Lab Exper 2.00 2.00 B+
MATH 107 Precalculus Mathematics 4.00 0.00 F (B4)</p>

<p>Spring 2010</p>

<p>MATH 161 Differential & Integral Calc I 4.00 0.00 F (B4
PHIL 101 Critical Thinking 3.00 0.00 F (A3)
PSY 250 Introduction to Psychology 3.00 3.00 B (D1)</p>

<p>Fall 2010 (currently enrolled in)</p>

<p>BIOL 115 Introduction to Biology 3.00 (B2)
ECON 204 Intro to Macroeconomics 4.00 (D5)
GEOG 202 World Regional Geography 3.00 (D5)
MATH 142E Discrete Math for Engineering 2.00 (this course ends on oct 28th, which is why its only 2 units.)</p>

<p>The letters/numbers in parentheses are the corresponding GE pattern group-thing. At least for SSU (i don’t know if they are all the same)</p>

<p>I took a look at a bunch of stuff last night and I was <em>hoping</em> that if I can get everything setup just right, I can start at say DVC for Winter/Spring 2011, take a couple courses over the summer then to two more full semesters at say DVC, then apply for UCD transfer during Fall of 2011 for Fall of 2012. Is this a feasible plan? I’m just not sure what transfers, and what I’ll have to retake. My mind is so jammed full of all this info I’m not processing. I did find a website that says what courses at DVC correspond to the ones at SSU and UCD. But I had a little trouble figuring it out and eventually just kind of moved on to something else. lol.</p>

<p>And not sure if i’ve said it yet, but a HUGE THANK YOU kmazza and everyone else that’s chimed in. It’s all very helpful. I may just show my parents this thread and see what they have to say about it. May help me. hah.</p>

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<p>Hmmm, well DVC may make you take Eng 122 by the looks of it but you could petition it even though if that english is only the one that is pre-122 you will at least be able to register for it since can’t get around not taking it. If that is the main College English class at state and is the main college level A2 requirement it should transfer over. Yes, your plan is feasible though.</p>

<p>Taking Plane Trig and College Algebra qualifies as the two pre Calc classes. I’m guessing that Intro to Psyche since is 250 is prolly the equiv to Gen Psyche so that is fine. It’s strange state schools and some LAC’s put Phil 101 as the critical thinking but seen that before. Oh well, that kinda bites but the critical thinking philosophy can only be taken after one finishes Eng 122 but deff counts to the UC’s and your F would be overlooked. </p>

<p>Even though World Regional is easy and fun and goes along with Macro they really aren’t going to do you much good for what you are going for. So whatever you do DON’T DROP BIO AND GET AN A IN IT. If you start to get overloaded drop the Geography. If you can get any money back still I’d think about dropping Macro but wouldn’t take a W in it. You could use the geography to plug in to your IGETC or for a GPA booster but ultimately you would end up fulfilling the requirement with another class closer to what UCD wants if planning on EE or any Engineering for that matter.</p>

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<p>Yeah my original plan at the beginning of the semester/end of last semester was to get myself off of academic probation so I was trying to bulk up on as many classes as I could. As a result, I ended up in two GE classes from the same category. Oh well. I know its wayyy past the add/drop deadlines so I’m stuck with what I’ve got. I know I can pull a B in bio but I’m shooting for an A. I found the website in which lists the corresponding courses. ASSIST.</p>

<p>It says:
CS115 Programming I –> COMSC 110
ENGL101 Expository writing and analytical reading –> ENGL 122: Freshman English
PSY 250 Intro to psych –> PSYCH 101
BIOL 115 Intro to Bio –> BIOSC 101
ECON 204 Intro to Macro –> ECON 220
GEOG 202, MATH 142E, and ES110 have no comparable courses.</p>