Transfer Help: CSU to CC to UC...

<p>I am currently a student enrolled as a freshman in SFSU (San Francisco State University) during the Fall 2010 semester, and I would like to pick at the minds of many people who have experience and knowledge about transfers.</p>

<p>I am currently enrolled in four classes: English 114 (Composition), Math 110 (Business Calculus), Geo 101 (Geography), and Comm 150 (Communications). If any UC admission personnel look at this thread, I was wondering the possibility of any of my current classes counting as transferable credits.</p>

<p>It is likely I will receive and A in all of the classes above, except English 114, where I may receive a B. I was wondering what would be best for my future.</p>

<p>I was a UC eligible High School student and was not thrilled with the colleges I got accepted --Riverside and Merced-- and decided to SFSU due to it having a good Film and decent Business School.</p>

<p>I am unhappy with this school and want more for my education. Due to my high standards of education for myself, I was wondering if I should stick it out here for two years and try to transfer, or take the safe route and go to a CC for a year in a half and transfer that way.</p>

<p>I have been hearing that Community Colleges classes are becoming harder to get into, and that my anticipation to graduate in 1 1/2 years, may become more.</p>

<p>If anyone has a experience with community college or has a suggested route in order for me to complete my education time, please do so.</p>

<p>Also, I was curious about TAP and TAG and how they work.</p>

<p>Thank You for your time,
Vince</p>

<p>What you should do depends on how important it is to you to graduate from a UC rather than a CSU. The UCs accept so few transfer applicants from CSUs staying at SFSU and successfully transfering directly to a UC is such an extrardinarily unlikely outcome that you would almost have a better chance of buying a winning lottery ticket. Withdrawing from SFSU and enrolling at a CCC and then transferring to a UC is your only option where success is at least plausible. Unfortunately, most of the courses you have taken at SFSU will not be transferable to a UC. Transferring to a UC from a CCC in 1 1/2 years is not realistic. Due to overcrowding and reductions in the number of courses the CCCs can offer, three or even four years, depending on your major, at a CCC will probably be required to take all the courses you will need to transfer.</p>

<p>Thank you for your reply Lemaitre1. </p>

<p>I contacted UCSB recently and they mentioned that English Comp and Calculas would most likely transfer, but the others do not have as good as a chance.</p>

<p>Also, I am determined to be able to achieve 60 transferable credits by junior year and am willing to do so. I have a very determined personality and am willing to get the classes I need. </p>

<p>Thanks again, it was very helpful hearing from another person.</p>

<p>I attended private college then enrolled at a CCC and succesfully transferred into a UC.
The classes that transferred over from my private college to the UC for credit where ones that could count for credit at the CCC as equivalents of what my CCC offers in its college catalogue. So it’s not surprising that UCSB told you that English Composition and Calculus would count, because basically every CCC offer those two classes.
With that said, I think you need to know what major you plan on transferring into. If you’re looking at competitive majors like Film or Business, what will be most important is having a high gpa which might mean taking less units per semester/quarter simply to not risk getting a lower gpa.
Also are you familiar with assist.org which lists Major/School requirements for each UC? Also google UC stat finder, which breaks down accceptance rates and other admissions data per major which can give you an indication of where you might stand.
Generally speaking though, if you’re not going to major in an in demand major, you’ll have a really good shot at transfering into UCLA/UCB/UCSD/UCSB or wherever you’re looking to transfer into. Also, I personally wouldn’t be concerned about possibly not transferring in 1.5 years. It either happens or it doesnt. If you look at your school’s statistics I’m sure SFSU has a low 4 year graduation rate, which means that you could be at SFSU for 5 years instead of 4. And if you’re already going to be doing 5 years, you might as well do either 1.5-2.5 years at a CC and then do the 2 years at a UC, which with your semester at SFSU, it would be the equivalent of 5 years.</p>

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<p>Thank you liek0806 for your response. I agree that it would be logical to complete 5 years and finish at a UC vs. completing 5 and staying at SFSU. It just makes more sense to me. I just need to make my decision soon because of the Spring 2011 semester, and I need to stay on track with what classes I need to talk. Thank you once again for your response.</p>

<p>If more people come across this thread, please leave your ideals here. Thanks</p>

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<p>Hello! I went to a CSU last year too and decided to leave because the education there was average, at best. Like you, I value my education and set high standards for myself. This year I transferred to a CC and honestly I can say that I love it SO much more. Although a lot of people attend my CC (30,000 students), I have had no trouble getting any of the classes I want. I remember when I would literally sweat from nervousness (hahah) sitting in front of the computer waiting to register when I was at a CSU. Then I wouldn’t get ANY classes… it was so frustrating. But registering at my CC was a piece of cake. I got to pick and choose classes, and it wasn’t stressful in the least bit. There isn’t a stupid unit cap either :slight_smile: Not to mention that I didn’t even register during Priority 1 Registration because I was a new transfer student to that CC (so I think I got like priority 2 or something… and I still had no problem getting classes).</p>

<p>I also signed up for what we call 0.5 Priority Registration this semester because my CC offers it your last semester there. I get to register the week before Thanksgiving, which is about 1 week earlier than regular enrollment. It’s pretty cool! </p>

<p>The teachers here are SO good too. Last year when I attended a CSU, I got an Econ teacher who barely spoke English, and all the math teachers (Calc + Stats) I had absolutely sucked. I am not the kind of student who complains about teachers because I didn’t get a good grade either. I actually got straight A’s, but just found that they couldn’t teach. At the CC I go to now, I am amazed by how much the professors know and how they can actually communicate their knowledge to students in a way so that everyone can understand. You can sense that they really care about your education too. Though I did not attend an overcrowded CSU (there were only about 8,000 students) I still feel like I get more one-on-one attention at my CC where there are more students. The class sizes are about the same too (my biggest class has like 50 students). </p>

<p>The schedules you can choose are very flexible as well, at least at my CC. You can take 16 week courses, condensed 8 week courses, weekend classes, online hybrid courses etc. The different options really cater to what fits best in your schedule.</p>

<p>So about what transfers:
I talked to many counselors, including the UC Davis rep at my CC, about my transcript and which classes transfer/don’t. EVERY class I took at the CSU transfers. This includes my UNIV 150 classes (also known as Freshman Year Experience). They may not be equivalent to the exact course at a particular UC, but I still get the credits for taking them. At the end of this semester I will have 76 semester units (12 from AP credit). That is well over the required 60 units needed to transfer to a UC. I thought a lot of classes wouldn’t transfer either, but surprisingly every class does, and at the end of this semester I will even have the IGETC finished.</p>

<p>Coming to a CC this year was the best decision I’ve ever made. Sure, people look down at community colleges, but many haven’t experienced it themselves so they can’t really be competent judges. I remember the first day that I came to campus I had a really narrow mindset about community colleges. I parked my car, looked around, and saw certain people that I would never hang out with. I actually started crying because I thought it was going to be a horrible year. I was so wrong! I feel dumb for being so judgmental. Of course there are groups of people that may not be your cup of tea, but they never get in the way of your education anyway. Also in a lot of my classes there are many older adult students. It’s weird at first, but now I don’t even notice it. </p>

<p>What else to say…
Well basically I just think I am getting a way better education at my CC. I’m kind of a nerd (in terms that I like to study more than party… not antisocial or anything though) and I just feel like at a CSU so many students weren’t too into their education. It really becomes frustrating because some people don’t understand that they do go to a SCHOOL… it’s not just a playhouse. I am learning so much at my CC and the best thing is it’s so cheap! </p>

<p>To answer your TAG question, all you have to do for most UC’s is take your last 30 units at a CC (UCI I know does not participate in the TAG if you have ever attended another 4 year university, so I couldn’t TAG with them). Have 2 transferrable courses in English, 1 in math, and there are some other course requirements that I don’t remember. Also have 60 units at time of transfer and at least 30 units and a 3.0 GPA at time to apply. I can’t remember all of the requirements but I’m sure you can do a google search. I filled out a TAG this year and was eligible. </p>

<p>I know how frustrating it is getting information on how to transfer from a CSU to a UC, that’s why I took the time to type all of this out for you. What I hated when I was at a CSU is that you cannot use Assist.org to see which classes you should take for your major. The counselors there don’t know either. So by coming to a CC, it was a lot easier to know which classes I needed in order to transfer for my chosen major. I was going to stay at my CSU and transfer from there, but I felt so lost with what classes I should take because like I said above, not every class you take there will be equivalent to the respective course at a given UC. For example, I took Intro to Biology last year at my CSU and it doesn’t even count for the Bio courses at the UC I want to go to (The units transfer over, but it cannot be used to replace the actual course). </p>

<p>This is such a long spiel but I was in your position last year and I know I felt like I had gotten myself into a big mess. I can’t think of any negatives that I’ve experienced from transferring to a CC. If you do end up transferring to a CC next year, or even next semester, don’t turn your back on it so fast. I came in with a preconceived notion of how CC’s are, but I gave it a chance and now I love it. Good luck to you and your educational plans!</p>

<p>Oh one really important thing I forgot to mention is you really need to be proactive if you’re looking to transfer from a CSU. I searched and browsed UC info sites so much in my dorm last year and bookmarked a bunch of pages that concerned everything from eligibility requirements, major prerequisites, to the applications themselves. Then when I came to my CC I already had a plan on what classes to take, how everything like TAG and TAP works, and questions I needed to clarify with my counselor. It’s important to devise a plan for yourself and stick to it otherwise it will take you a lot longer to transfer.</p>

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<p>Thank you so much for your time that you put into that response, I enjoyed every word. I too have felt lost at my CSU at times and found it a tad bit annoying when I would ask a faculty member where the student writing center was, and he or she did not know. I also very much agree with the assisst.org issue, where you can not research your CSU classes transferring to UC credits. </p>

<p>I have a few questions if you do not mind answering and sticking around for a bit. </p>

<p>What CC did you attend? (Pure curiosity)
How long were you there for?(“–”)
And
Which UC campus do you think/ hope you will be attending?</p>

<p>Once again thank you for your time and clear/precise response. I appreciate it dearly.</p>

<p>Sent it to you in a message! :slight_smile: I’m always paranoid someone on here will know me haha so I like to keep things private.</p>

<p>is there a way to check which units are considered transferable?</p>

<p>assist.org</p>

<p>the3bink,</p>

<p>I was in your situation just a year ago. I’m glad to see that people are taking the route that I took, because when I was researching on CollegeConfidential just a year ago, there weren’t very many helpers or information on here with people who went through my situation. I went to SJSU (San Jose State) for my freshman year, and was very unhappy with it. I had to commute and live at home, the school was overcrowded, registering for classes was a nightmare, and parking was atrocious. It was a meat shack of unmotivated students and it was a terrible experience, personally. I didn’t try as hard as I wanted to from high school, so I didn’t get into any of the good UC’s. My lack of effort put me in the place that I deserved to be in. I went to visit my friend at Cal Poly SLO, and that really motivated me to try to transfer out. The campus was beautiful, school life was vibrant, and I knew I was missing so much at SJSU. But as we know, transferring from a CSU to any school is very difficult, and the best route to get to a better school would be the Community College route.</p>

<p>I was very narrow-minded about Community College. Oh, how naive I was. Community College is one of the greatest blessings that have ever appeared in my life. I dropped out of SJSU and enrolled at the community college in my area, West Valley College. Again, like all of the previous posters above, I spent countless hours researching the process of transferring from a CSU to CC to UC. As annashlynn posted above, you do need to be proactive about the transfer process. Look into every UC, look at what your major requirements are for each school, and look at EVERY single aspect of the transfer process. Know exactly what the UC’s want from their transfer applicants, so that you don’t get an unexpected curveball thrown at you. Know how many units are required to transfer, and know how many units you need to take at a CC. Calculate how many units you have that you think will transfer to a UC, and devise a plant that will fit ALL of the possible situations. (Example, if you think one CSU class MAY or MAY NOT transfer, devise a plan that can satisfy BOTH situations so that you’re not screwed with one or the other.) It’s not an easy path, but it can definitely be done. First off, Assist.org will be your best friend, aside from Collegeconfidential. Look at what classes articulate from your CSU, and hope that you have not too little, but not too many. You need to have LESS than 30 units from your CSU. Ideally, 28-29 units. The reason is because you do need a minimum of 60 units to transfer. To be considered a Community College transfer applicant, you must have the majority of your units come from a CC. If you have 29 CSU transferable units and 31 CC transferable units, you are considered a CC applicant. That is very important, because that’s the whole reason why you would go to a CC in the first place, right? CC students get priority in the transfer selection process.</p>

<p>What classes transfer from your CSU, and what do not? The general rule of thumb is that general classes will transfer to a UC. For example, Psych 101, English 1A, Calculus (1-3). Any specialized class such as the class I took at SJSU called “Money Matters”, will not transfer over. I was lucky that it didn’t transfer, or else I would have had the majority of my units from a CSU.</p>

<p>TAG honestly is not necessary unless you think you will get less than a 3.5 GPA. I think they’re phasing out TAG soon, although I’m not quite sure when. I THINK that they’re phasing it out after this fall, but correct me if I’m wrong. Make sure that you will complete IGETC. Your CSU classes do count towards IGETC! AP classes you took in high school do count towards specific IGETC requirements, AND your unit count. What I did to plan my year was visit a CC counselor, ask them for an IGETC sheet, and then plan your year out on a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. Make sure you plan exactly how many units you will take, and make sure that you will take more than 30 units from your CC, assuming you have less than 30 transferable units from your CSU. You can transfer out of a CC in a year, you’re just going to have to take around 15 units a semester. You might even have to take more, depending on what classes you can get, etc. </p>

<p>And to talk about my CC experience, it wasn’t too bad, to say the least. Registering for classes was a piece of cake for me. The CC that I wanted to go to was an hour commute from my house, and I had to wake up very early in the morning to go through a gridlock of traffic. That’s how determined I was to get out of SJSU. I tried to make the best of my CC experience by trying to give back to the community. I joined my school’s honor society, called Alpha Gamma Sigma. I even went for a leadership position and became the Community Service Coordinator. In addition to that, I joined the school’s honor program which allowed me to get priority registration. Classes at my CC were honestly more challenging than the classes I took at SJSU. My CC professors were excellent and came from prestigious universities (Berkeley, MIT, Princeton, etc.) Everyone’s CC experience will differ, but mine was not too bad. Only thing I will say is to keep yourself motivated. You can’t afford to slip up, not with the route that you plan on taking. </p>

<p>As for my personal experience, I was admitted to every UC except for UCLA. I submitted my SIR to Berkeley, and I will be attending there this fall as an Economics major! You need to make sure you have a high GPA, join clubs, be a difference maker in the community. I worked 30+ hours a week, coached a hockey club, played in my own hockey team, and was a part of Alpha Gamma Sigma. If you’re unhappy with your CSU, use that as fuel to motivate yourself to put the effort into transferring. This isn’t an easy path, like I’ve said several times, but it’s possible with determination and perseverance. A couple of us on here are living proof that you can do it. I got out of my CC in a year. Sometimes, it’s hard to motivate yourself. Go take a tour at the UC’s. See your goals and dreams in person, and use that to drive yourself to work harder. I wish you the best of luck, and if you need ANY more advice, clarification, or just want some assurance, feel free to PM me. Second chances do exist, and it’s up to you to make the best of them. I proved to everyone, and most importantly, myself, that I am worthy of attending a prestigious university, and it feels damn good. As I’ve said a billion times in this lengthy post; work hard, be motivated, and never give up, no matter how bleak the situation looks. The result will be worth it in the end, and you will love the feeling of redemption! I hope this will help you in your future endeavors, and I hope this will help any future prospective transfers that are in this unique situation! I know that it is very difficult to find any sort of information or success stories about this situation. I hope I provided you good information, and I hope that my success story will motivate you to go through with it! CC isn’t all that bad, especially if it can get you to a great university. Good luck to you, and to anyone that is a CSU to UC transfer. =)</p>

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<p>@HockeyGiant thank you so much for your post. I was accepted to CPP for fall 2013, but of course I was rejected from all the UC’s I applied to. Your post gave me some hope for transferring from CSU to UC. I have a question, what CSU did you transfer out from?</p>

<p>San Jose State University (SJSU).</p>

<p>I’m transferring to UCLA directly from a CSU this year. It wasn’t as difficult as everyone says it was. Mind you, I have a 3.7 something GPA but I was most concerned about my classes transferring because I have a lot of weird classes (PHIL 325 is philosophy of love, etc). I’m still waiting to hear back from UCLA about which classes they accepted but I’m assuming a good amount transferred over (since I only have about 2 AP tests worth of credit).
I called UCSD which I was also accepted and they told me all but one class transferred over (a nursing class I took in freshman year).</p>

<p>All I’m saying is yes, a CC is ideal for transferring because of its availability of programs that can help you transfer (IGETC, TAP, TAG) but it is NOT as impossible as everyone says it is to transfer from a CSU to UC.</p>

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<p>Also, a note about UCSB… When I went to their transfer day, an admissions counselor told us in a seminar that ALL of our units would transfer over. So since I had 60 exactly not including AP credit, 60 units regardless of the class would transfer over.</p>

<p>It really isn’t impossible at all. If you have a strong GPA, good EC’s, and if you completed all your prerequisites, then you should have a decent chance. My friend got into Berkeley Engineering from SJSU because he had a 4.0 and he completed all of his prerequisites - because most CC kids wouldn’t even have those kind of stats.</p>

<p>I’m trying to aim for a 4.0 at CPP… Hopefully I can do it (I did in HS with 3 APs senior year). I really want to transfer to a UC… Can anyone put some input into the difficulty of classes compared to a high school?</p>

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<p>Can you guys help me out,i am going to SFSU in August but i really want to go to a UC after i spend two years in the CSU. And i don’t want to go to a cc…So can you guys give me some tips,at how to transfer to UC.</p>

<p>Read my very lengthy post on the previous page @TheNightmare.</p>