Transfer possibility from IUB

<p>Hi guys</p>

<p>I'm applying for admissions as a regular admit to the Kelley school of business and i was wonder how hard M211 was....I'm thinking of taking this course because I am considering transferring to Michigan (Ross), NYU, USC; Ross requires that I take M211...however I feel if it is too risky to take M211 it may jeopardize my chances of getting into Kelley let alone Ross and the other b-schools. So would you recommend me taking it?</p>

<p>Here are my stats: i will have 36 credits by the end of first semester...i came in with 22 AP credits. </p>

<p>Philosophy - 105 A+
Cmcl-122 A
X100 A
Q-199 A (1 Cr)
M118 - C (D on midterm....B+ on first exam)
Accounting - haven't taken a midterm yet (1 Cr)</p>

<p>my next semester courses will be</p>

<p>W131
M211
K201
CMCL 121
G-103 (could be another one)</p>

<p>in case you wondering of my math abilities i got full score on the placement test, 690 SAT math, and i got credit for AP stats.....which btw is useless if you're going to go to Kelley because they make you take E370 and it cancels your S-300 credit.</p>

<p>can anyone also recommend any good professors for M211?</p>

<p>and based on my stats do you think I have a shot at Kelley?</p>

<p>I would appreciate a response soon because my scheduling begins Nov. 12</p>

<p>Thanks a lot</p>

<p>ifailedcalculus</p>

<p>Why are you thinking of transferring? I was accepted to Michigan and decided I would rather save $25,000 a year at Kelley, graduating with business honors (hopefully) and almost equal job opportunities. You make the college, the college doesn't make you. That being said, I have no idea of good professors for M211 (I got ap credit), but you do have good grades that will get you into Kelley. Get the best grades you can on math/econ/business courses, they look at primarily those classes. Also, some e.c.'s might help (if you do want to transfer they will help a lot).</p>

<p>Well M211 is more traditional in the math sense than finite. I know lots of people who took AP calc BC in HS and owned that test, only to get owned in finite. It's just a different part of your brain. If you've traditionally been okay in math, then I'd say go for M211. </p>

<p>Also, let him transfer. You don't know the circumstances around his decision, so it's best not to judge.</p>

<p>Mandell is your best professor of those teaching MATH M211 next semester. He works well with his students, and while he grades a bit tough (average 2.8 GPA), he is probably better than the two alternatives.</p>

<p>Popa tends to be difficult to understand and almost half of last year's class withdrew, and the average GPA was only around 2.4 or so.</p>

<p>Libine is brilliant (Harvard PhD and used to teach at Yale), but his lectures are at the level of most PhD candidates. Here's a link to his lecture notes for a graduate class he taught at Yale:</p>

<p><a href="http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0709/0709.3615v1.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0709/0709.3615v1.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Here's some other stuff to consider as far as transferring versus getting into the Kelley Business school at IU-B:</p>

<p>If you weren't trying to get into Ross (which requires that you apply this semester, since they only allow transfers to come in during the sophomore year), and were instead only applying to NYU or USC, then I think you could just take MATH M119 followed by MATH M120 instead. My son did this, and if he hadn't failed the MATH M120 final exam (which resulted in his grade falling from a B+ to a C+), he probably would be at USC right now (USC had asked for his spring grades--and they only do that if you are on the "short list" for admission). </p>

<p>You need to realize that MATH M211 will be much tougher than taking the two other courses (MATH M119 and MATH M120). Taking the two courses allows you to cover the subjects at half the speed by dividing the MATH M211 curriculum into two semesters. Also by taking MATH M119 next semester, you could hopefully get a great grade which would guarantee you getting into the Kelley business school before taking the more difficult MATH M120 course. Also, in my view, the professors that teach M119 and M120 are better (and grade slightly easier) than the ones that teach M211. Lastly, both NYU and USC allow transfers to enter during the junior year, which is when you should be applying to those schools, since you will have more college courses "under your belt", meaning they will focus on those more and essentially ignore your high school record and, to a degree, ignore your SAT score as well. This can be very helpful if you applied to those schools and were not initially accepted (as my son had done at NYU).</p>

<p>In my son's case, he (like you) had a very good Math SAT score (his was 700), but he still struggled a bit in these courses--because they are tough. To help him in his transfer application to USC, he retook the SAT in order to improve his SAT CR score (which moved it from 560 up to 650) and his SAT Writing score which USC looks at (he improved this from 540 up to 600). Thus, his new SAT was 1950 versus the original one of 1800--which I'm sure also didn't hurt his chances at USC. </p>

<p>A final note: While I don't know your reasons for wishing to transfer, my son wanted to do so in order to change his business major from finance to management consulting--which is an undergraduate major that Indiana doesn't offer. (Indiana offers economic consulting, but the curriculum is completely different from a standard "management consulting" curriculum.) After staying at Indiana, he changed his major to Business--Legal Studies and has been extremely happy with the law professors he has this year (McCrory and Rodenberg). So you might just consider changing majors if the reason behind your transfer is related to your courses to date. </p>

<p>If you are transferring because you just wish to go to a more "prestigious" school--which in my view is a fairly poor reason for transferring, then good luck--but realize that (a) grading at USC and especially at Ross and NYU is much more competitive than at Indiana because of the so-called "Stern" curve--which allows only 15% of the students to get grades of B- or above, and (b) both graduate schools and employers won't care which of these schools you went to, since they are all ranked approximately the same as far as the business schools are concerned. About the only valid reason for transferring alongs these lines might be if you plan to work in either Detroit, Los Angeles, or New York, in which case being near your future employer would make sense--or if you are from Michigan and would qualify for in-state tuition (Note: USC and NYU are private schools--so the tuition is the same no matter where you are from).</p>

<p>Hey, I know this is a long-winded reply--but my son and I have been through all this, so I hope this information is helpful.</p>