<p>I dropped out of my previous state university (CSU Fullerton) that I used to attend because I did poorly for the year (1.3 GPA). Yet I decided the next year that I would start over at my local community college for two years as a new student (came out with a 3.7 GPA). The time has come for me to be applying as a transfer student to some prestigious colleges (UC's, USC, NYU) I really want to get into. I was wondering if I could be able to successfully transfer to one of the colleges I am applying to without providing them my transcript that I had at my state university (CSU Fullerton)?</p>
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<li>I didn't have FAFSA, any grants, or loans provided to me when I was attending my old school nor will I be applying for it.</li>
<li>My community college records office said that they do not disclose transcripts from other colleges, so they said that I was a NEW STUDENT</li>
<li>I sent in my old school's transcript to my community college to get rid of prereq's, when I asked about if they would send my old school's transcript or any of its history they said "NO, because they do no have the rights to handle another colleges transcript because they cannot legally determine if the old school's transcript is official"</li>
<li>All of the applications to the universities that I am transferring to in state, out of state, and private tell me to "list all schools you have been to" (I am prepared to lie)</li>
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<p>Well I will only being sending the official transcript of my community college and not my CSU Fullerton transcript. (I dropped out of Fullerton)</p>
<p>I just really want to know if the colleges I want transfer to will really go in depths to finding if I was lieing about my supposed one year gap that I will lieing about.</p>
<p>I forget the name of it, but there is a system colleges use to reference previous colleges attended. If you search the forum, you may be able to find more information.</p>
<p>Theoretically it could work if they don't check the national clearinghouse and you make up some excuse about how you were busy for a whole year helping children in Darfur right after high school, but I personally would never risk lying on such a large scale. </p>
<p>Needless to say if you want to hide one year of work, that's your business, but be ready to accept the consequences of rejection and there won't be anyone else to blame but yourself.</p>
<p>You're taking a remarkable risk doing that.
If I read your post correctly, it sounds like your GPA went up which should help you. If you had a reason why your GPA was low at the first school (illness, emotional problems, etc.) you should explain and they'd probably be more willing to forgive than if they were to catch you "forgetting" to include the school.</p>
<p>I definantly am taking a huge risk. I'm almost 100% sure they will do the a student clearinghouse paperwork with the cost of sending the application cost. But if I read it correctly on the website, they will only find out about enrollment verification at colleges I have attended (which is just basically paying for the deposit). Luckily I've called my previous college (CSU Fullerton) that I have attended and they confirmed to me that no one has access to my past transcripts except for me and CSU Fullerton themselves. Fullerton is also not able to distribute or give out any further information about classes, major, GPA, etc. because of confidentiality.</p>
<p>Furthermore I believe that if which ever college that does decide to accept me and does ask me about not listing the previously enrolled school. I can just tell them that I deposited the enrollment money but never actually took any classes. This should end them from asking any more questions.</p>
<p>Thank you all for replying, I really appreciate it.</p>
<p>Well. don't come to me when you get caught, but I really think you'll get away with it. Admissions counselors at large universities simply do not have the time to look into your application, and the sense that they are examined under a microscope that pervades these forums is not founded in reality. You could try and provide some reason for the 1 year gap but you run the risk of sounding like you are trying to cover something up.</p>
<p>TT19, it is your call. Make the decision that you feel is best for you. Do keep in mind, though, that it probably IS possible for the school you apply to to check you full record at the clearinghouse. I don't know this for sure, but I imagine that some of the stuff you sign on your application gives them permission to verify the application, which is probably all they need to access those records. Now, does the clearinghouse send them a list of your schools? I don't know. Maybe someone else does.</p>
<p>I agree with the poster above me, though. You probably would get away with it. There was a case a few years ago of a guy who transfered to a couple of Ivies, leaving info about previous schools off of his application. I think when he was caught he was at Harvard. The only reason he was caught was because he was mentally disturbed and did some things that drew attention to himself. If he had been a regular guy and not an idiot he probably would be a Harvard grad by now with it all behind him.</p>
<p>It could get to a point where you are into your second semester and they find out about your record...you will get expelled...this is a horrible idea</p>
<p>If you lie, and USC or any other college you transfer into finds out, and it would not be hard for them to do so-you WILL be expelled, regardless of the reason for your lie, and THAT will not be something you will be able to hide. It is not worth it to jeopardize your whole future over difficulties you experienced your freshman year. Look, you did a GREAT job in raising your GPA- you have proven that you CAN do college level work after all. So that makes you a success story! Don't hide it! Let them know your whole record. Your most recent record is the one they will be paying attention to.</p>
<p>Schools will rescind a degree if they ever find out. Really, the UC's are not hard to get into from a CA CC, we're not talking Harvard here. It's certainly not worth the risk and really, will you feel proud of anything you gain with a lie?</p>
<p>Well, TT19, I have a story to tell you. I'm not sure whether this will apply to you as well, but one of my friends got into Berkeley as junior transfer after he ruined his entire freshmen year(got somewhere below 1.0, or worse, all Fs and Ds and one B or so) and did a wonderful job next year. He wrote in his essay about his distress and problems which "justly" made him a more serious-thinking and brilliant person than he actually was. </p>
<p>I totally agree with PlattsburghLoser that you can use it to your advantage. Perhaps you might need some clever tricks to make it work that way. But after all, I think officials would at least look at your transcript and essay more carefully than other plain boring ones.</p>
<p>Somehow, they'll find out. It won't be the grades that they get upset about. Rather, it's the academic dishonesty. All schools reserve the right to rescind admission because of something like this. </p>
<p>What if you spend two years at your new school and they find out? You don't graduate. And then what? You have two different schools to brush under the rug?</p>
<p>PS: Your CC's transcript will say that your pre-reqs were taken somewhere else. Look carefully...</p>
<p>Applicants need to realize that a terrible record in your past, followed by a good record.... is not a deal killer. Shows that you are not the unmotivated/poor student you once were. </p>
<p>Send it. A) You have a very limited chance of "getting away" with omitting it. B) You will sleep nights if you send it. C) Your story of growth and improvement is a good one. D) You could have your admission rescinded or your degree rescinded as others have mentioned.</p>
<p>My experience was similar to this, in that I had a semester of poor grades from a school where I then took a medical withdrawal and I can at least tell you my opinion regarding USC. After working for a couple years I went to a cali CC (with good grades) full time for 1 year and then applied to USC; I submitted both transcripts but made sure to explain in my essay about the poor grades, etc etc etc. and I was admitted. If you don't tell and they find out about it as "academic dishonesty" you will 100% not be admitted (or if you were admitted, it is highly possible they will rescind admissions ... also, the UC schools do random checks on your awards and ECs and such so that likely includes schools!). Submitting the transcript may be to your disadvantage, but not to the degree of academic dishonesty, and as others have said -- putting a spin on it such that they can see you've worked through whatever happened at CSU Fullerton and then proved yourself at a CC could <em>possibly</em> be a good hook. (Again, this worked for me)</p>
<p>There is a big/huge consequence of me being caught and of course I would really not know what to do about myself if it did happen.</p>
<p>I've decided that I should just be honest about myself to the schools I am applying to. With all of the replys. It looks like I've got quite a story to tell which can benefit from growing grades and maturity.</p>
<p>This thread has helped me a lot. My previous grades of concurrent enrollment in high school have ruined my 4.0 GPA. I've decided to write about how I've improved and not the lazy student I used to be.</p>
<p>i’m bumping this page because of update. i know i said that i would not lie about my previous coursework but i did it anyways. but it really looks like it paid off for me though. i’ve been monitoring the transfer pages for a long time now and i have seen a lot of people with the situation i was in. and i’m hoping this update will bring hope to them.</p>
<p>although i was rejected by CAL
i received my admissions just recently to USC, NYU, UCLA as a transfer student</p>
<p>i found the loophole in the system to stop admissions from searching in a legal and be protected by the law in way to find past enrollment or any information so i could omit the past. it was luckly of me to stick around on cc to figure out someone posting something about FERPA and how a block can be placed. requesting a FERPA block allows the National Student Clearinghouse the inability to give information to anyone besides loan officials and governement financial aid. institutions/universities you wished to be transferring to cannot receive blocked information even if they have a written consent. and as for the past university you are omitting the FERPA block is held so that the past university cannot tell any information about your past enrollment or if you ever attended by law.</p>
<p>so to sum it all up, FERPA block helps you get rid of the past and when transferring the only past enrollment shown will be the one you didn’t put a FERPA block on. if you have financial aid, grants, loans, scholarships in the past… then your still screwed because FERPA block does extend that far.</p>
<p>thank you so much to that poster that brought up FERPA block</p>