<p>A school MAY disclose education records without consent when:</p>
<pre><code>* The disclosure is to school officials who have been determined to have legitimate educational interests as set forth in the institution’s annual notification of rights to students;
The student is seeking or intending to enroll in another school;
The disclosure is to state or local educational authorities auditing or enforcing Federal or State supported education programs or enforcing Federal laws which relate to those programs;
The disclosure is to the parents of a student who is a dependent for income tax purposes;
The disclosure is in connection with determining eligibility, amounts, and terms for financial aid or enforcing the terms and conditions of financial aid;
The disclosure is pursuant to a lawfully issued court order or subpoena; or
The information disclosed has been appropriately designated as directory information by the school.
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<p>Generally, schools must have written permission from the parent or eligible student in order to release any information from a student’s education record. However, FERPA allows schools to disclose those records, without consent, to the following parties or under the following conditions (34 CFR § 99.31):</p>
<pre><code>* School officials with legitimate educational interest;
Other schools to which a student is transferring;
Specified officials for audit or evaluation purposes;
Appropriate parties in connection with financial aid to a student;
Organizations conducting certain studies for or on behalf of the school;
Accrediting organizations;
To comply with a judicial order or lawfully issued subpoena;
Appropriate officials in cases of health and safety emergencies; and
State and local authorities, within a juvenile justice system, pursuant to specific State law.
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<p>i can’t say i agree with your decision. but your an adult, and you’ll have to live with the consequences. but kudos to you if you get away with it. good luck</p>
<p>I’m definantly sure I will be getting away with this. I am actually safe with FERPA because I requested a FERPA Restriction/Block which states that the following institution I’ve been in the past is forbidden to make any directory information, previous enrollment, etc. available to any other individual or organization. If you search upon FERPA Block or Restriction on that website you’ll see a myriad of court cases which holds my FERPA Block steady.</p>
<p>The only exception to the rule is if I had applied for some sort of financial aid, loans, scholarships, etc. for review of financial records held. Luckily I have not asked for any of these which I’m totally grateful for. Also another exception is federal government and law enforcement.</p>
<p>I know in some individuals’ eyes that this may seem like a bad decision. But if I didn’t take this road, I would’ve most likely not had a chance at getting into all the universities I’ve been accepted to.</p>
<p>Actually, like i previously stated. If the transferring institution requests information from a school you previously attended, they are forced to comply. The link I have provided you with is the official website for the US Department of Education. I know that you may feel like you need to reassure by telling yourself you’ll get away with it. But, the FERPA block does not grant the school you previously attended (CSU Fullteron) from withholding your transcripts. Secondly, even if the school you previously attended decides to withhold your information and the transferring school finds out that you attended that school previously. Then they’ll likely take action for academic dishonesty of not listing that school on your application. Nothings a sure thing in this world. Let’s say you obtain a well paying job or you work for the government in the future. There’s going to be people that want to do a full background check on your past history. You never know what might happen. I personally would not recommend anyone taking this sort of action, but that is my opinion. Also, please don’t recommend to other transfer students to take the same route as you. It would be a shame if a fellow student was kicked out of their school because they took your advice.</p>
<p>And like I’ve previously stated before, the FERPA Block/Restriction is able to prohibit any other institution requesting any information. I’ve checked that website before and mailed them to reassure myself about the road I was taking was safe when applying. I’ve also checked with the National Student Clearinghouse so see if the FERPA Block/Restriction = Data Block on my record will do what I was looking for and they confirmed that it does. FERPA Block also does grant CSUF from withholding my transcript, I and CSUF school officials are the only ones who are able to access my CSUF records.</p>
<p>Also to be clear, on my application I stated only one school which was my CC school. So the fact that NYU would find about my CSUF is very unlikely because their reliable source for checking past attendance/enrollment (National Student Clearinghouse) has a data block for my record.</p>
<p>I’m likely not going to take a government job, not because of being caught but because it’s very low paying for my standards.</p>
<p>I have a question, why did bump this thread?</p>
<p>I highly doubted the national student clearinghouse would work with a student to attempt to hide previous attended schools because the whole purpose of the national clearinghouse is to uncover a student’s past record. Also, if you read the site carefully it clearly states that FERPA MUST disclose records to a transferring institution if requested. Like I said, do as you please. However, if you are aiming toward a high paying job there will likely be more background checks to your past. Anyhow, I am done talking about this since you have reassured yourself that you are safe. But, don’t be surprised if your future school finds out about CSUF and decides to revoke your degree for lying.</p>
<p>Also, i find it ironic that your blatantly revealing the past schools you’ve attended to the whole world and yet your so keen on being dishonest. I’d think that you’d be a little wiser by not posting this type of information on a website frequented with UC officials who have all your information. Anyhow, best of luck to you.</p>
<p>National Student Clearinghouse will work with a student, since it is their file. And if you’re thinking that blocking the past attendance/enrollment doesn’t work. Try it yourself because I have and when I ordered a request it certainly worked out showing only my CC record.</p>
<p>“if you read the site carefully it clearly states that FERPA MUST disclose records to a transferring institution if requested”</p>
<p>Not only did I say that I have a FERPA Block/Restriction but if the transferring institution was to request the information, it would need to be directly to CSUF which I didn’t even put down on my application. So the fact that they would find out by National Student Clearinghouse won’t work because I put a data block. Also CSUF has the FERPA Block/Restriction which restricts my record at the school. If you went to CSUF, you would see that when you sign the petition to use FERPA Block/Restriction that it will completely seal the academic record from being viewed by any third parties such as institutions. Also CSUF will not be able to comply with any other institution without my consent of a FERPA unblock to release my academic record.</p>
<p>I’ve also checked about the background check for verification for jobs. They also use National Student Clearinghouse to verify DEGREES. So the only degree I have is an AA degree at my CC and I’ve stated that I have a data block on my record which restricts third parties from knowing anything about my records.</p>
<p>I stated this blantly out loud to the public by the internet because I want everyone that has had “bad” previous record in the past to have a clean slate and another chance at transferring.</p>
<p>And thanks for the best of luck part, also you too dupes thanks.</p>
<p>so if your so confident why do you keep responding like your guilty? Like i said, you might be comfortable reassuring yourself. But the fact is, you wouldn’t be responding every second if you weren’t second guessing whether or not you made the right decision. At the end of the day, you have to worry about being caught by your current university for academic dishonesty and i don’t. So no point in arguing with me. Good luck with that.</p>
<p>Yes, I do sound confident but I am not at all guilty in anyway because of my rights of FERPA Block/Restriction have been exercised. I also am not second guessing my decisions at all (I don’t know how you could read that I’ve been second guessing?), I’ve been simply reassuring you and the public that what I have can work for others like myself who would want a second chance at transferring.</p>
<p>Also at the end of the day, I won’t be worrying about being caught because my current university cannot be able to access my CSUF records due to FERPA Block/Restriction held there. I can also exercise my right to a FERPA Block/Restriction at NYU, so once again my privacy is kept secret. So there is no point in arguing with me, I get tons of people like yourself who PM me saying that I’ve done a wrong thing and why would I teach people about this, it’s unethical, it’s wrong, I can’t believe you took some other deserving persons place who told the truth, and etc.</p>
<p>Well because like I’ve said, this technique works! I want all those who’ve had past records that are not what they wanted to start over fresh to have another chance at transfer again.</p>
<p>"I’ve decided that I should just be honest about myself to the schools I am applying to. With all of the replys. It looks like I’ve got quite a story to tell which can benefit from growing grades and maturity.</p>
<p>Don’t be surprised if your immature decision to continue lie will come back and bite you in the butt, and THEN, you will NEVER be able to finish college.
Some people just don’t learn .</p>
<p>No… your privacy is not kept once the school you are transferring to finds out that you attended school at CSUF. For all you know one of the moderators on this site could reportyou to NYU. You just never know.</p>
<p>My immature decision landed me getting accepted to some of the universities I would’ve never had a chance at being accepted if I listed my past transcript. I’m very sure that this won’t bite me on the butt. The evidence of my past has basically been concealed well with the help of the government, National Student Clearinghouse, CSUF, and now including my current college with FERPA Block/Restriction and a data block.</p>
<p>You may not like my attitude but I’m able to live with the fact that I didn’t do the right thing. But the lie ended up getting me into one of the colleges I never thought I would be attending. You like the many others who can’t live with the fact that others (check the UC Transfers forum for a similar thread like this) like myself lied to get accepted by having a clean state and another chance at transferring.</p>
<p>You clearly resurrected this thread for a reason, which I can only see as jealousy and rage that people like myself can find a loophole in getting a second chance. “Have fun with that”.</p>
<p>it’s not a loop hole it’s just ignorance. Clearly you have not learned from your past and still carry an immature state of mind. Nothing need more be said. Also, like i said previously. I’m not the one that has to worry about my transfer university (NYU) finding out about CSUF every night I go to sleep. Enjoy.</p>
<p>Don’t worry, I’ve been sleeping alright. Like I’ve said before there is no way my current university from finding out because of my exercised right to confidentially secure my enrollment and academic record with FERPA Block/Restriction. If you look up on Google or the government edu website you’ll realize that FERPA Block/Restriction exercised at the institution requested will be required to hold all of the student’s information confidential from view of any third parties (NYU) which also includes directory information (just look below the FERPA excerpt you provided).</p>
<p>Maybe I have carried on my immature state of mind but that immature state of mind was accepted to some universities. Thanks for bumping this thread, I’ve been meaning to let others who have a bad past to have another chance upon viewing this thread.</p>
<p>No you honestly come across the wrong way. I highly doubt anyone would be ignorant enough to take the same path as you. Also, if you weren’t so worried about being caught, you wouldn’t be fretting, responding to every comment I make 10 secs later and writing a whole paragraph on it. Bye</p>
<p>You would be suprised about how many people would take the same path as me. I’m not at all worried about being caught. I’m just simply responding to your responses because they’re directed toward me. Why are you so intent on trying meaningless comebacks every time I have a response so quickly?</p>
<p>Also I write a bit of a larger responses because it just goes into detail about how I’ve actually researched and done my work about this loophole.</p>
<p>Goodluck with that. I think I’ll call NYU Stern and let them know that one of their transfer admits from a los angeles based community college is hiding a past record. Thanks.</p>
<p>Go ahead and call them, I’m not at all scared. What you’ll most likely receive from that conversation is that the counselor will say that they have either done an extensive check on their transfers accepted, deny that there have been any transfers from there, and most importantly that they’re not allowed to access those past records again because of their limited 40 days of inspection from FERPA.</p>
<p>I’ve called and done this before to figure out if it would work. You seem like I don’t know what I’m doing. You’re welcome.</p>