<p>Obviously either the guy was lying through his teeth to anger a lot of people or he is too ashamed to show his face now. He was probably rejected from USC and whereever else he applied because these schools are not stupid, they know when someone is trying to fool them.</p>
<p>You all seriously have problems. You all seriously have no lives. I can’t understand why some of you feel the need to complicate his life and make things harder for him. If you don’t like it, it’s not affecting anybody but himself so why can’t you just leave him alone. Why go out of your way to make people miserable over something that doesn’t even do anything to anyone? Why can’t some of you just mind your own business? Why invest so much time and energy just to make his life more difficult over something trivial? Have you ever made a bad investment? The price he paid was tuition for those classes and what he got in exchange was learning and he’s just throwing away his receipt. He wants to start over. It will incur a cost to him…all the time and money he spent on those classes will not count. You all are a bunch of jerks who are maliciously out there to snitch on people…I say good job for beating the system, Trojan. Why don’t you all just worry about improving your own lives instead of worrying about him and leave him alone? You must have no friends, always blabbering people’s business and being childish and nasty. It’s like people using their time to nark the police over weed…the time they spent tattletaling on someone over petty things could’ve been use to report and help in a date rape, an armed robbery, or muder happening that very second. Leave him alone.</p>
<p>Thanks for this thread, it made me realize I forgot to provide information on a college I attended for one semester 6 years ago! I withdrew from all my classes there (2) and I don’t even consider it part of my college experience. In any case, I am requesting my transcript now and will send it to USC right away along with my Spring Grades from my current school. I’m hoping they will understand, it sounds like this happens occasionally.</p>
<p>@Sister-</p>
<p>The concern everyone had with this ******bag was his blatant arrogance regarding this matter. Additionally, every claim he made defending his position was wrong. Rather than standing up for people who are doing wrong, lying, and cheating their way through life, you should focus your energy on helping people who deserve it.</p>
<p>@Morrison -</p>
<p>USC won’t trip if you just explain what happened and send them the transcript ASAP. I have a bunch of “W’s”, two “F’s”, and I forgot to list one of the schools I attended on my application. I’m 33 and had several breaks in my education due to military deployments, firefighting assignments, and life in general. I explained everything to them in detail, and I was accepted with no extra conditions attached to my admissions letter. The admissions people know that life happens. They just don’t like it when we deliberately omit information from our files. The fact that you are being proactive and providing the information before they request it shows that you have integrity. They like that sort of thing.</p>
<p>@sister-</p>
<p>One more thing. You stated that this gentleman is only harming himself. You are wrong. According to his posts, he was accepted to NYU and USC. That means two people who did not lie on their applications were rejected by these schools. I don’t understand this bleeding-heart ********. I don’t understand how so many people have come to this guy’s defense. Could it be that those defending him see a little bit of themselves in his actions? Could it be that those defending him don’t see that shortcuts, lies, and shady business dealings are leading to the demise of our great nation? Have you not seen the reports on Enron, Countrywide, Madoff, and the endless list of corporations and individuals who are willing to take self-serving shortcuts at the expense of every American? </p>
<p>I have taken up arms for this country as a paratrooper, and I have stormed into burning buildings as a firefighter. My creed has always been honor, duty, and integrity. Perhaps that is why people like him–and like you–irritate me so much. Him for being a liar and a cheater, and you for fighting for people like him. </p>
<p>You claim that those of us commenting on his actions have no lives. Perhaps. But at least we have a sense of justice and integrity. You say that we are wasting our time and energy making his life difficult. Perhaps. But we do it out of an instilled sense of right and wrong. </p>
<p>You even go so far as to give him credit for “beating the system.” Again, you show your ignorance. He did not beat the system. His claims of being able to block access to his records are simply false. The truth will be revealed.</p>
<p>I hope and pray to God that people like you, and especially people like him–people who are okay with lying and cheating–never achieve a position of authority or prominence in business or industry. That’s why we’re in the mess we’re in. Do your homework, sister. You have much to learn with regards to honesty and integrity. The fact that you are defending someone who is lacking in both of those virtues shows that you, yourself, are fundamentally unsound in the proper ways of life. </p>
<p>They say that ignorance is bliss. You, sister, are living proof that ignorance is something far more tragic. </p>
<p>@all-</p>
<p>Again, to all of you who come to this person’s defense, be sure to think before you write. </p>
<p>Sister’s entire argument is destroyed by her claim that this gentleman’s actions aren’t hurting anyone. His actions caused the rejection of two students who would have been accepted into the slots he took at USC and NYU. Two students who more than likely reported complete and honest academic histories on their applications.</p>
<p>@sister-</p>
<p>Perhaps you and ******bag can open an investment firm together someday. I’m sure with your brilliant little minds working in unison, you can find brand new ways of lying, stealing, and embezzling Americans out of billions. You can be the next Mr. and Mrs. Bernie Madoff. </p>
<p>Good luck to you as you pursue your academic and professional endeavors, and for the sake of the people you will someday serve in the professional world, I hope you find a deep and lasting fundamental change in your thinking.</p>
<p>Why lie? If only one semester was bad and the rest were fantastic, it wouldn’t make a significant difference in their admission decisions. Especially if you have a great reason why the first semester was abysmal.</p>
<p>All of this is making me nervous. My first year at junior college consisted of a couple of “F’s” and a couple of “W’s”. I switched schools the next year and have been averaging a 3.5 ever since. I was planning on trying my luck with not submitted the first schools records, but if I do, do they combine both when compiling my GPA? I think that would screw me big time.</p>
<p>They’ll combine both, but most schools have done away with using the GPA as the determining factor as to whether or not they will admit a student. Admissions people are human beings, and they know that life happens. Just explain that you got off to a rocky start, but you have persevered and your current academic performance indicates that you are fully committed to achieving the highest levels of academic success. I had to explain a bunch of crap.</p>
<p>Sounds gay.</p>
<p>If you have the money to sue a major university for a so-called “rights violation” why didn’t you just put that money (or more likely, your parent’s money) to good use and buy your way into the school of your choice? No less ethical, but at least you would not have been blatantly lying to the AdCom. Admissions counselors frequent CC and someone <em>could</em> see this thread. </p>
<p>It’s sad that you felt this was your only option to earn admission to a top university, because the way you improved from your first year at CSU showed some serious maturity that universities tend to appreciate. </p>
<p>But if you felt you had to lie (by omission), then maybe you haven’t really learned anything from your first year at CSU and THAT is the true nature of your character.</p>
<p>Oh, and P.S…this is nothing to due with jealousy, I attended one this nation’s best universities and I take pride knowing I earned my degree with my integrity in tact.</p>
<p>This thread is idiotic. I can’t stand how everyone is wasting time arguing about something pointless like this. Yes, this probably happens a lot. And it is of questionable morality. But whatever. There are tons of people who lie on thier college apps and that is not a major topic of attention. Don’t pay too much attention to this kind of crap.</p>
<p>I just read the rights under FERPA, and universities have the right to disclose a student’s education records to any other universities with a legit interest in that student, without the student’s consent. In other words, you can’t lie and get away with it. Always tell the truth.</p>
<p>I too battled with this decision as I did poorly in my first school, but then graduated with honors in a later community college. I listed both my schools on all my college applications because most of my prerequisites were accepted in my CC. I sent in both transcripts.</p>
<p>I applied and got into NYU-Poly
Stony Brook, Buffalo University and NYIT</p>
<p>I am now about to attend a school even better than the first one I attended!</p>
<p>Sometimes honesty is the best policy. However this is a moral argument. My best friend who also messed up on her first college, simply never mentioned it and started fresh at another. Will I “whistle blow”? Nope! She is doing her thing, getting that education, that might have been denied to her otherwise.</p>
<p>airborne</p>
<p>We kill people that kill people to show them that killing people is wrong. This person lied on their college application. apples and oranges. They’re both fruit, but they’re apples and oranges. Go fight the bigger morality fight because you can’t make applesauce by mashing up oranges. </p>
<p>“Could it be that those defending him don’t see that shortcuts, lies, and shady business dealings are leading to the demise of our great nation?”
Lies, shady business deals, and shortcuts…isn’t that how we did build this nation? Go check the history on what we did to the native americans to obtain this great nation. Maybe the demise of this nation is because of its foundations. </p>
<p>“Rather than standing up for people who are doing wrong, lying, and cheating their way through life, you should focus your energy on helping people who deserve it.”
I agree, shouldn’t you focus your energy into more productive things instead of arguing this person’s fate on an internet thread…ironic huh? </p>
<p>The problem with morality and philosophy is that there are ALWAYS exceptions. We know that it isn’t ok to steal, yet if my family was starving, would it be ok to prosecute me for stealing a loaf of bread…and would my case be better if I stole something smaller to feed my family…like a cherry, for example? Hypothetically speaking there was no other way to get food.</p>
<p>I don’t know and understand everything. I do know, however, that in one point of everyone’s lives, everyone will endure hypocrisy and morally bad judgements. A person is worse off if they don’t, because this is they key in understanding humility, this is what makes a well-rounded person. Because of the exceptions, morality lies in the weight of the greater good. In other words, you might need to break some eggs to make an omelet. Karma, on the other hand, never seems to forget, and judges the weight of the variables. I dont know the other students that got denied, or their situations, but if you’re bringing religion into this topic, then you should have faith that in the end justice will have been done…and people do change. I feel sorry for someone who is still the same person they were 10 years ago, and since ones perspective yields from one’s experience…those that claim people do not change are really stating an introspective fact. They have that perspective, because that is how they are–and since birds of a feather flock together, it would make sense how they would think everyone is like that. Besides, if you are so proud to be a morally good person, then you should be first to thank the bad guy, as how would you and I know how good you were, if we didn’t have the bad guys to compare you to…</p>
<p>To me, it sounds like you have a few skeletons in your closet. Maybe you didn’t “forget” to list that other school on your application, maybe you really tried to omit it and got caught in the way…I don’t know, but its just really weird that you went through a similar situation, and feel so strongly against the transcript thing…winding it to a morality argument. Maybe you were forced to tell the awful truth, and hate that someone else didn’t have to. More mysteriously, you’ve run through the topic for this thread and was curious enough to open it and read through the posts, going as far as posting many replies, and researching the FERPA policy to copy and paste on here. Why did you even research the policy? What was your intrigue in this loop hole, if you knew it didn’t even exist? Or maybe I am completely wrong, and you just have no life.</p>
<p>I’m not defending the OP, I dont know the person to do so. I’m not giving “props” to him either. I just thought you’re being a little too brash about this issue, and telling me that people don’t change was so negative, I would hate for you to live the rest of your life believing this, without anyone even trying to get you to see differently. I wish the best of luck for the OP and to you too, as what we need in the world is more goodness. We all have flaws, we all have lied, we all have had bad things happen to us. We all have to make the best of what we have, and sometimes we will be put between a rock and hard spot, but thats life. You say your creed consists of honor, duty , and integrity…so do you see it honorable to call people derogatory names that you have not even met before? Is it honorable to stereotype people, only judging them from what they have typed on this thread? Is it honorable to make people feel like crap? I’m just sayin… we all are culprits when it comes to moral values, so don’t be so judgmental.</p>
<p>^He’s the op. Moderator please ban his account and IP.</p>
<p>wow, I just joined this site…I didn’t even know you could make multiple accounts…You seemingly do however…why would anyone even make multiple accounts? This is an internet thread, its really not a big deal…LOL, I didn’t even know you could “ban” a screen name from here…oh no my life would end if that happened. Anyways, if what I said offended you, I do apologize, but I’m sorry I’m not the op…and I am not a man, so it would be “her account”.</p>
<p>I feel like this thread has gone to a completely different genre, we can sit here and argue the whole morality thing in circles, but the main point of this thread is to get peoples opinions on the transcript thing and FERPA. I personally don’t think the FERPA thing will work. I don’t know what a report from the national clearinghouse looks like, so I don’t know if a blocked school would show up saying “blocked”. If it does, then there was completely no point in blocking it, as obviously it will cause suspicion, and it will get caught, and I’m not sure if there is another agency that provides information like the clearinghouse–seems like there would be in this age of time. It is a very big risk though, and if an honest way is possible, that should be taken instead.</p>
<p>^ drop it already. bump this thread please.</p>
<p>Sounds like you need to take your own advice…</p>
<p>By the way how do you bump a thread…and what does it mean to bump a thread?..and is this forum for Southern California colleges? Most of the threads are related to USC, just wonderin’.</p>
<p>Shut up clown.</p>