<p>Colin, it may be more competitive but you will simply get a more rounded education at Marshall. </p>
<p>After I was admitted to UCLA, I took summer session at UCLA and that was enough to sway me that UCLA isn't the place I wanted to be. It's not like I'm pulling stuff from websites to prove my point, I actually went to UCLA for a short period.</p>
<p>Basically, the breakdown is this at UCLA:</p>
<p>You take Econ 11 and Econ 101 and you MUST get a 3.5 gpa avg in both classes to be admitted into Biz/Econ, if you don't get an A/B combo in those 2 classes, you get dropped into regular UCLA Economics, good luck there. How many people do you think UCLA admits into Pre Biz/Econ and they end up not doing so well and they end up into the Econ program at UCLA which is just basically a pool of Biz/Econ rejects and people who didn't make it into Biz/Econ the first time around.</p>
<p>Basically, the reason why UCLA Biz/Econ is more prestigious is because the competition is FIERCE. First you have to get admitted into Pre Biz/Econ THEN you have to fight your way to getting an A/B which only about 1/3 of the class actually manage doing.</p>
<p>As you said, Marshall grads are almost on the same playing field as UCLA Biz/Econ grads, that's pretty damn good if you ask me considering Marshall students don't have to face the anxiety that UCLA Biz/Econ students face. This shows that employers really do weigh the well-rounded education at USC as much as they value the competitiveness at UCLA.</p>
<p>I agree with you there until when you said "employers really do weigh the well-rounded education at USC as much as they value the competitiveness at UCLA." After speaking with many USC marshall grads, they all told me most of the recruiters that come to USC Marshall are big companies yes. They do offer good jobs to marshall students... however they all told me it's almost as if those companies are being forced to offer those jobs to USC grads. USC has setup a strong network and fellow graduates told me it's almost like the companies have an obligation to hire USC grads just becuase of the "you take care of me, I take care of you" situation. They are offering USC grads jobs not because they value the student... they are offering them jobs because its what they agreed to do (almost like a contract). So yes you will get a pretty good job... but many have told me they felt like they haven't really earned it themselves... it's just that they graduated with a decent GPA from there and had a good job set up for them after graduation.</p>
<p>"it's just that they graduated with a decent GPA from there and had a good job set up for them after graduation."</p>
<p>LoL, It maybe some sort of shame for some people, i think that's good.
At least it's better than getting a decent GPA at UCLA and not being offered any good jobs at all.</p>
<p>It's you're opinion. Believe me getting a decent GPA at UCLA business econ will get you a VERY good job (unless of course you are an idiot, or can't talk during interviews). I think it's better to get a decent GPA at UCLA and get a good job than to go to USC and be offered a job simply because a company is being forced to do so :confused:</p>
<p>hehe Colin, that means the USC Trojan Network is doing what its supposed to be doing, making sure their students land good jobs when they graduate.</p>
<p>my calc II prof told me that he should have given me a big fat F so i wouldn't get into UCLA because he'd be doing me a favor since he went to UCLA and hated the experience... damn I think I need to go back and give him like a 100 dollar starbucks gift card and tell him that he was right all along :P</p>
<p>Technically yes... but come on would you want to work for a company that in reality doesn't want you there, but has to have you there because they have a comittment with USC to hire their graduates? It's almost like if my daddy owns a lawfirm and hires me on as soon as I graduate. Everyone there will know that the main reason I got in was because of my daddy. This situation isn't any different... as the "daddy" figure is replaced by USC.</p>
<p>i don't know about you but i'd definitely take a "pity" job over unemployment or a crappy job. </p>
<p>All i know is that i'm going to work the hardest i've ever had in school when i get into USC and take advantage of the opportunities that the school opens up.</p>
<p>i hope you are planning to take advantage of the usc summer abroad program there hobo... i'm planning to go to either go to london or dublin next summer :)</p>
<p>It would really set you apart from the rest of the Marshall grads and its a great learning experience too... Dublin and London are the only 2 locations that do not require a foreign language requirement so thats where I'm likely headed</p>
<p>blah, i didn't get into marshall... hopefully i can get in after one semester.. i've heard i only need a 3.0 in my pre reqs? </p>
<p>ah well, my fault for slacking off my last quarter.</p>
<p>OMG, that program looks sweet..</p>
<p>Citigroup Citigroup Asset Management
Deutsche Bank Liberty PLC
Disney UK Prudential Bache
Burberry Reuters
Scorpio Films SG Securities
Universal Viacom Pictures UK </p>
<p>wow, so many opportunities but it is pretty damned costly.. 12k...</p>
<p>Uhhh who says you will get no job or a crappy job comming out of UCLA Business Econ? Even if you don't have the best GPA you will more than likely get a pretty good job considering you're comming from one of the most famous public universities in the world... not to mention a graduate of the second most impacted major offered at the school.</p>
<p>colin, all i've seen from you is anecdotal evidence to the contrary. "everyone at USC is business", "negative stereotype of usc", stop making suppositions and heresay as argument and just promote valid fact, please.</p>
<p>As to that overseas program... every school has one. Just because you go to USC doesn't mean it's going to be superior over say UCLA or UCB overseas programs. If anything, overseas companies prefer UCLA students as the school is more highly looked upon in countries outside the US. But then again... if you have the money... you can do almost any overseas program you want.</p>
<p>Colin, I never said UCLA grads won't get a job or will get crappy jobs... in fact i didn't even imply it! The fact is, UCLA grads compete for the same jobs as USC grads and they both do well. I was commenting on your statement that implied getting a job through the trojan network was something to be ashamed of. Of course i'd rather get a job based on my own merits but if i have a network that can hook me up with one, you won't see me complaining.</p>
<p>um.. if you actually read over the program, you'd see its an internship as well as a course for credit. the internship are with top companies in a foreign land, much different than the study abroad that UC's have ( you can look into those, believe me they don't offer an internship with your stay ).</p>
<p>So I'm the only one presenting anecdotal evidence? The other people posting here saying the opposite of me is presenting fact? Come on now. I'm only speaking on what I hear as I made it clear in my posts. If you take a look at USC, you will find that the most popular major there is business. A high percentage of the 16,000 students are majoring in business. Meaning when you come out every year... you're just like every other marshall graduate. At UCLA however, because the business econ grads are much less (only a few hundred) they aren't lumped ontop of eachother as USC marshall grads are. That was my only point. </p>
<p>Also what makes you think you can tell me that I'm not allowed to post my opinions about certain schools? This is a messageboard where anyone can discuss anything involving colleges. It doesn't have to be a fact in order for it to be posted.</p>
<p>okay so i looked over ucla's eap site and they don't offer a program like usc's HOWEVER, they do have something similiar. their study abroad program has ties to some companies in england in which you'd have to interview/apply for, its not guranteed.</p>
<p>anyways, im off to sleep, hopefully this will continue to be a civil discussion.</p>
<p>Hobo you're right. USC is a private university however. They can offer oppertunities that UC's can't. For example the overseas program. USC pays tons and tons of money to these big foreign companies to take in USC students for these programs. This is clearly something that is done because of who has the most money. If UCLA or UCB has this kind of money to throw around, they would offer the same programs! The fact is they don't because they are public universities. Therefore, they can offer overseas programs.. but then again if I'm the owner of a top company in another country... and USC will pay me say 30,000 to take in a student, while UCLA only offers 5,000... I'm going to put USC on the contract. These are things that private universities can offer. That's why you pay 50k a year, not to mention 12k to do this program. It all boils down to who pays who the money money.</p>