<p>Hey everyone,
I'm a freshman at Emory and so far I have all A's and I'm shooting for at least a 3.8. I'll have all the prereq's for transfer by the end of the year. My SAT's are V=660 M-720 W=590 (1970) maybe i'll retake in the winter... Is it pretty much impossible to get in as a transfer? I think I'll have a really strong essay as well. I was also considering applying to Georgetown as well... thoughts?</p>
<p>You have low SATs compared to your other stats get them atleast above 2000</p>
<p>Why are you going to an ivy for nursing anyway? You will be working with the same people that graduated from non flagship state schools.</p>
<p>Why not go to your flagship state school's honors program for half the costs?</p>
<p>Hostiletakeover-that is insulting to all professional nurses</p>
<p>Why shouldn't our patients have Ivy educated nursing caring for them? Patients deserve the best of care--would you have said what you did about a physician--I cannot imagine someone saying to a future MD--don't go Ivy as you may end up working with the "Same people" that graduated from state schools</p>
<p>In my outpatient clinic at a major Harvard Teaching Hospital I manage RNs with degrees from Penn, Columbia, Northeastern, Boston College, Case Western Reserve, Johns Hopkins....we are well educated, compassionate, independent</p>
<p>^^^^^^
Well, actually, if you read what I said complete without carping at me and making your self sound like an imbecile, you would realize that I did not say that AT all.</p>
<p>You, I assume from your post, are an RN? Than you should know that nurses just coming out of college still have a good amount to learn about nursing, which they learn at the hospitals that they work at, I would argue that the course of study at many top 25 universities is almost identical to that of a flag ship state school in nursing atleast. Therefore the patients would be getting the same care assuming both graduates also learned at the same hospitals. Comparing it to an MD is an outragous comparison because undergraduate pre-meds are not learning anything about being a doctor while they are undergraduates, they learn that in med school, and in order to get into med school it helps to have a high GPA from a well respected school.</p>
<p>Having a degree from harvard in nursing may help you get a good nursing job, but you would more than likely be able to get the same one with a good GPA from a honors program in a flag ship state. If you are a premed with a 4.0gpa from harvard, you are much more likely to get into a top 10 med school than you are with a 4.0 and the same ECs and recs from a state school.</p>
<p>With your last paragraph,
"In my outpatient clinic at a major Harvard Teaching Hospital I manage RNs with degrees from Penn, Columbia, Northeastern, Boston College, Case Western Reserve, Johns Hopkins....we are well educated, compassionate, independent"</p>
<p>What may I ask, does this have to do with anything? I never said nurses were stupid, un compassionate, or needed guidance, but you felt the need to add that on why? Sounds to me like you are trying to pad your weak argument by converting my statement from one of the issues, to an attack on nurses as people.</p>
<p>Harvard does not have a nursing school, by the way--Ivies that have nursing schools as I recall are Penn, Columbia, Yale--I may have missed one</p>
<p>Are you a nurse? I don't think so, then you would know there are vast differences among schools of nursing, the rigor of clinical placements make a huge difference in the education of a nurse as well as the quality of nursing faculty and the amount of clinical research going on at the school of nursing</p>
<p>I love how YET AGAIN, you neglected to mention anyting pertaining to the issues.</p>
<p>I would LOVE for you to show me a SINGLE piece of evidence that proves that ivy nursing schools teach material that is so different that the material taught at flagship states, that it would make a "huge difference in the education of a nurse" (your words).</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong, but before you are about to work as a nurse in a hospital you need to pass a clinical exam, the results of this exam also help you get placed in a better hospital? (again, correct me if im wrong, I am not a nurse) I would guarentee that if you learned everyting taught at a flagship state you would be just as well prepared for this test as you would from an ivy.</p>
<p>NCLEX, the nursing license exam, only allows a nurse to practice as a registered nurse and is the minimum required to work as an RN....it has nothing to do with where one might work only that you CAN work. We don't look at scores of NCLEX--just pass/fail so it is really not related to where one might be hired. You can get data from schools of nursing on % of graduates that pass the NCLEX on the first try...Case Western has always had 100% pass rate, my state "flagship" has not, for example</p>
<p>When I interview RN candidates for my clinic, I do look at where they have gone to school, what research they have done, where they have had their clinical placements and done clinical internships.</p>
<p>^^^^^
Ever think that Case might have a 100% pass rate because the students there are brighter or more determined to be nurses than the average state school nursing canidate?</p>
<p>When you interview canidates for your clinic you said you look at research clnical placements and internships.</p>
<p>Question than, who would you hire of these two canidates</p>
<p>Canidate 1: Went to UPenn had a 3.77gpa did "x" amount of reasearch, and did clinical placements and internships at "y" hospital</p>
<p>Canidate 2: Went to UMass Amherst (Umass flagship state school) and was in the honors program, had a 3.77gpa, did "x" amount of research, also did clinicals and internships at "y" hospital, but had amazing references from those hospitals?</p>
<p>My guess is canidate 2 because you realize that they got "relativly" the same education, and all other things are the same, except the professionals in the field recomend the state school graduate.</p>
<p>The state school grad has less debt by about 100k also......</p>
<p>Depends on how they interview and my general "gestalt" of the person they are and how they would interact with patients and peers....Penn affliated hospitals are much stronger clinical placements than UMass in my opinion, but in general their interview would count for alot in this situation.</p>
<p>My point is that there is no point in paying to go to penn when you could get the same education, degree, and career, with a much cheaper degree from your flagship. In a field like nursing I feel like having a Penn degree might get you the job off the bat, but after your first job, your references will play a MUCH bigger roll than your school, so why spend 100k more on it?</p>
<p>Back to the orginal poster---are you not interested in Emory's nursing school?
My colleagues from Emory are very good nurses.</p>
<p>There are plenty of opportunities in nursing now for loan forgiveness etc as there is a huge nursing shortage. so honestly cost may not be an issue for many nurses as their loans will be paid by the hospital that hires them</p>
<p>In addition, starting salaries for nurses with BSNs are quite high in my area--
start out in the 70K range and with a few years experience you will be making well over 100K plus full benefits, including tuition reimbursement
Add in loan forgiveness and you will be doing quite well</p>
<p>One example from Pennsylvania:</p>
<p>Nursing Loan Forgiveness for Healthier Futures
Nursing is a satisfying and rewarding career through which you will care for others while experiencing a challenging, diverse, and exciting work environment. PHEAA, powered by American Education Services (AES), and the Pennsylvania Higher Education Foundation have together funded this program to help you pay for your nursing education and achieve success in the field of nursing.</p>
<p>According to the Pennsylvania Department of Health's Special Report on the Characteristics of the Registered Nurse Population in Pennsylvania (distributed in November of 2002):</p>
<p>Average age of RNs employed in health care is 45.9 years.
Almost one-third (32%) of RNs are between the ages 50-64.
As many as 47% of RNs plan to leave nursing within the next 10 years.
The "baby boomer" generation is getting older; coincidentally, the need of long-term care is increasing, and the cost of nursing education is on the rise-all of which mean the nursing shortage Pennsylvania is facing will only worsen.</p>
<p>To help recruit and retain qualified nursing students in Pennsylvania, the "Nursing Loan Forgiveness for Healthier Futures" program will help you repay your student loans. By working for a participating Pennsylvania health care organization, after graduation from an approved nursing education program, you may receive student loan forgiveness for up to 25 percent (a maximum of $12,500) of your eligible debt over a three-year period.</p>
<p>Imagine... repaying your student loans just by doing your job and helping others.</p>
<p>At a minimum, participating employers will match our loan forgiveness contribution; however, employer-sponsored programs will have the added flexibility to increase their matching contribution to enhance their organization's nurse recruitment and retention efforts</p>
<p>I would be SHOCKED if the average nurse in your area actually makes 100k after a few years on the job, mabey certain people in certain specialties. (and alot of overtime/terrible hours)</p>
<p>I am interested in Emory's nursing's program... but I'm not sure if I'm completely in love with Emory in general. When I visited Upenn I loved the campus and the students I met. I'm content with Emory, but I think I would like Upenn better in general, thats all. In my essay, I have a bunch of points which show how Upenn is a better fit and how the program there is more focused on nursing (we don't do any nursing until junior year here at Emory) so I would like to start doing labs in the hospital like my sister is doing. Thanks for your responses so far, and I'd appreciate some more advice on what I can do to get into Upenn. Thanks everyone!!</p>
<p>By the way, I'm a guy... would that help me get in more oppposed to being a girl?</p>
<p>The fact that you are male will likely be a strong advantage in my opinion.
Most schools of nursing and hospitals are looking to diversify their nurses and since nurses are 96% + female being male is a huge asset</p>
<p>For what its worth, at my hospital, we have a pretty large number of men who are nurses/nurse practitioners</p>
<p>"I would be SHOCKED if the average nurse in your area actually makes 100k after a few years on the job, mabey certain people in certain specialties. (and alot of overtime/terrible hours)"</p>
<p>Yeah - not the average nurses - only the IVY educated ones!!</p>