<p>I am headed to a Top 10 law school (one of the following, Penn, Mich, UVA) next year and am wondering how difficult it is to transfer to HS? What percentile do I need to be in my class?</p>
<p>The top law schools accept only a handful of transfers. And really, if you’re going to a top law 10 law school, why are you thinking about transferring?</p>
<p>What percentage of my class though? I know for low Tier 1 transfers, they need to be in the absolutel top of their class for HYS, top 5% for CCN.</p>
<p>What percentile in their classes do top 10 law school students need to be to transfer to HS? 15%?</p>
<p>I am thinking of transferring because well, why not always aim for the absolute best? </p>
<p>I am ecstatic to be attending a top 10, but why not always try to grab the gold?</p>
<p>sorry if i sound noobish, but wat does HS stand for lol?</p>
<p>Harvard and Stanford. Why the heck isn’t top ten good enough for you?</p>
<p>ty, now wat is CCN lol? Columbia, Cornell…NYU?</p>
<p>CCN= Columbia, Chicago (University of), NYU</p>
<p>I would assume it would be easier to transfer into H over S due to the large size of H.</p>
<p>I have no idea where you need to be in your class. However, think long and hard about whether you really want to do this. If you’re going into your school thinking about transferring, I can’t imagine you’re going to fully engage. Law school is only 3 years. A lot of students get involved in organizations during their first year and stay involved in those organizations. You develop relationships with professors and classmates that could be beneficial in the long run - there is a certain comaraderie that develops amongst first years. At my law school, there was a first year “small section” class in which you really got to know 20-30 of your classmates. At least when I went to law school, you wrote onto law review at the end of first year. There was a fellowship program at my law school where 2nd years did a lot of the teaching for the 1st year legal writing classes, and whether you got into that program was dependent upon your first year performance. Unless a student is unhappy with his or her law school experience (something you can’t possibly predict before you even start!), I don’t think transferring is a good idea. I would work for a year and reapply to my top choices before I went to a law school from which I was already thinking about transferring.</p>
<p>Testing for understanding…</p>
<p>You have recently been accepted into a T10 law school - Congrats.</p>
<p>Ultimately, you would like to attend Harvard or Stanford.</p>
<p>Since the cycle is not over yet, why don’t you apply now and see how the process plays itself out.</p>
<p>I would agree about not going into law school with the thought of transferring (by the time you start doing the paperwork, you will have had a full year of law school under your belt and may feel differently.If you do not allow your self to be fully engaged, because in the back of your mind you are thinking about transferring, I think it will be reflected in your work and you may miss opportunities to connect with your professors (whose recommendations you will need).</p>
<p>Harvard states that they have taken 25 students over the past 2 years.</p>
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<p>It seems as if your chances would be better if you just applied and see how things shake out. If you are admitted, the decision will be made. If you are waitlisted, send in your letter of continued interest and any other new information. When you re-apply at least you could say that you were waitlisted. This coupled with a stellarfirst year record may increase your chances.</p>
<p>Harvard requires the following of its transfer applicants:</p>
<p>A personal statement which should address your reasons for applying for transfer admission. A need to be located in the Cambridge area may be relevant and should be discussed in your personal statement if applicable. Harvard may not think your reasons; your "aiming for the absolute best’ and your wanting to grab the gold will be considered really good reasons for transferring.</p>
<p>Hey, thanks for the responses everyone. I appreciate the transfer info sybbie.</p>
<p>I realize that going into law school thinking about transferring is not the best mentality, but why not? I figure it might motivate me to work harder.</p>
<p>There is no way I am getting into HS. My GPA is below their 25th interquartiles and I am NOT URM (meaning no Affirmative Action). Even if I retake the LSAT (I only took it once) I don’t think I will be able to pull beyond 175, which is what is needed at the very minimum to compensate for my GPA. Even then, I would probably be waitlisted, as my GPA is not that good. Plus Stanford emphasizes soft factors (since their LSAT median is relatively low despite its rank), and my soft factors are pretty ordinary as I am straight out of undergrad.</p>
<p>Beyond YHS, I am not too fussy which school I attend within the top 10 law schools. Since I have no shot at YHS, I have no plan on reapplying as I’d be happy to go to any T-10 beyond that. ( YHS are my top choices, but aren’t they everyone’s?)</p>
<p>I was just curious as to transfer success rates. I haven’t heard much info on people transferring within the T-14 (it seems most transfers involve low tier 1 students transferring to the T-14), so I was curious what percentile I needed to transfer from a lower top 10 to a top 3.</p>
<p>As for Concord, the “top 14” law schools are as follows, more or less ranked within their known prestige/placement tiers in the legal field:</p>
<p>Yale, Harvard, Stanford = YHS
Columbia, Chicago, NYU =CCN
Penn, Michigan, Berkeley, Virginia = PMBV
Northwestern, Cornell, Duke, Georgetown = NCDG</p>
<p>The T-14 is basically comprised of the “national” schools, as in firms recruit from these schools all over the nation and these schools place well across the nation. Beyond the T-14, there is a cut-off for placement into biglaw and these schools are seen as “regional” schools.</p>
<p>Biglaw firms in general dig deeper into higher ranked schools, meaning (this is purely hypothetical) while some firms may hire in the top 50% of schools ranked in the top 14, they will only hire in the top 10% of lower ranked schools.</p>
<p>Canescans…yes, I believe it is easier to transfer to Harvard because of its large class size. I am interested in Stanford solely because my boyfriend is currently a 1L there. (I don’t have a strong inclination to work on the West Coast post-grad.) Instead of maintaining a super long distance relationship throughout law school, it’d be nice to be with him, at least for his 3L year and my 2L year (and possibly during my 3L year, if he gets biglaw work nearby).</p>
<p>I’ve been told your chances are not very good unless you were previously accepted or wait listed by them, if you don’t have the stats then I’d say save the $70. Have you thought about applying to Boalt? It’s closer to Stanford and is higher ranked then UP/M or VA if I remember correctly.</p>
<p>^ I applied, but since Boalt is GPA heavy (and not LSAT heavy), I’m not holding my breath. (Also, general consensus is that Boalt’s ranking this year is a fluke. It jumps all over the place. In 2005 it was ranked #13. I think generally Penn and Mich are ranked higher than Boalt. Nonetheless it is on the same tier as PMV.) </p>
<p>Also, I just particularly want H or S because well they are the best (along with Y).</p>
<p>Top10LawSchool1L,
Im only a senior in HS, but i wanna ask, u said that some big firms hire the top 50% of
T-14. wat do u think is the % for Fordham? top 10 also?</p>
<p>Fordham places well in biglaw (in new york city) relative to its rank because its located in the biggest legal market. General consensus is top 1/3 at Fordham get biglaw, in NYC (this is before the economic downturn though). Fordham is regional though, so only attend Fordham if you know you want to work in New York City. </p>
<p>Here’s a chart for biglaw placement. Of course keep in mind self-selection also plays a role, as I bet Yale could place more of their grads into biglaw if the students decided to opt out of academia and clerkships. This obviously has East Coast bias, in particular NYC bias, evidenced by a lower T-14 school like Cornell placing better than some higher ranked T-14 because of the plethora of NLJ250 firms in NYC, so take this chart with a grain of salt.</p>
<p><a href=“http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/20080414employment_trends.pdf[/url]”>http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/20080414employment_trends.pdf</a></p>
<p>As for the 50% mark, consensus is that it only applies to the lowest T-14, Georgetown (GULC), partly because GULC has such a large class. GULC students have to be very competitive in order to get biglaw because of their large class size and low T-14 rank. I personally would not attend Georgetown because of their wavering T-14 reputation–USNews may include its PT program numbers into its rank–and high level of competition. </p>
<p>I think firms in general reach deeper into the higher ranked T-14.</p>