transferring from NYIT

Transfer Students
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<p>hi, i just completed my 1st semester at NYIT and got a 4.0, i'm expecting the same result in the next semester.</p>

<p>Now i was planning to transfer after my freshman year, primarily because i want to get into a better ranked university and because NYIT doesnt offer scholarships other than the ones that they give when you are admitted.</p>

<p>my question was, when the common app application asks me, "Why are you transferring? Why was your most recent college not a good fit? " should i mention these two reasons or does it make the application look bad ???</p>

<p>any ideas on what i should write would be greatly appreciated...</p>

<p>thank you</p>

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<p>bump</p>

<p>i was thinking about applying to yale/columbia and stuff ... any ideas guys ?</p>

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<p>helooooooo ?</p>

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<p>70 views and not a single response ... common people !!!</p>

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<p>I can't gauge your chances at those schools effectively, however, if you provide more info I'm sure someone will take a crack at it. But you really shouldn't complain if the only posts you've made are in this thread.</p>

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<p>im not asking you to gauge my chances ... i was seeking help on what to do on a particular part of the application. you could have figured that out if youd read the first post.</p>

<p>as for my only posts being in this thread, i joined because i needed help. heck, thats why almost every one joined. i dont see a problem in that. do you ??</p>

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<p>I think the answer to the "Why do you want to transfer" question should be a subset of the reasons of the "Why do you want to go to our school" question. Just remember to put a positive spin on it. Instead of saying "my school ranks low on US News & World Report" say that you believe you have proven your academic talents to yourself and are ready for the challenging environment that School XXX offers and you're willing to push yourself to attain greater accomplishments. Maybe you also feel that the student body tends to be apathetic or have weak political motivations. Above all, be diplomatic - don't bash your old school or professors just simply state that there is room for improvements in the area(s) you mention.
And don't mention that you need more free money.</p>

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<p>Sorry I didn't read it more carefully. No reason to get angry, as I was only trying to help when no one else was...</p>

<p>If you do happen to want my opinion (though like I said, I'm by no means an expert), I would not recommend you mention those things in the essay. Neither really implies that you want to go to their school in particular. I would compare and contrast what is missing from the current institution and how you would benefit from having such factors at the new institution, however, I'd assume it's a pretty trite topic.
Maybe pick a specific experience where you realized that the current college was not the place for you and reflect upon how it conflicted with your beliefs/goals/etc. ?</p>

<p>Best of luck :)</p>

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<p>"NYIT and got a 4.0, i'm expecting the same result in the next semester."</p>

<p>dude, i am not being nasty, but a 4.0 from NYIT is NOT IMPRESSIVE NO MATTER HOW U SLICE IT.</p>

<p>I would rather have a 3.0 from U of Michigan</p>

<p>A student in my school with an SAT score of 750 out of 1600 and an average of 68 got in there with a scholarship</p>

<p>I do not think that schools will give too much credence to ur 4.0 when ur competing against "not the brightest of students"</p>

<p>Now if u have an exemplerery hs record and an SAT 1400+, maybe we have something to talk about</p>

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<p>It's never a good idea to come to a forum and start bumping 4 times in 3 days and then being so rude to an person whos been here almost a year. He wasn't rude to you and had a helpful tone. He simply states that you shouldn't barge in and start, in a sense, demanding responses.</p>

<p>No, you shouldn't say that you wan't to go to a school because it is ranked higher or because you want financial aid. You will most likely get rejected without too much though, especially at schools like Yale and Columbia. Both schools admit very few transfer students and are hard schools to get accepted to even if you are a really good applicant, and they look for students that are genuinely interseted in their school. Saying that you want to there because of their rank is simply stupid. Financial aid is something you might want to mention but I wouldn't say something like "NYIT doesn't gimmie money and you would so yeah, i wanna go to your college", I'd rather focus on not getting enough money than the possibility of getting more money. </p>

<p>Hmm actually your talking about scholarships. I wouldn't mention scholarships honestly.</p>

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<p>i graduated from nyit and i can tell you that a 4.0 from nyit will get you where a 4.0 from anywhere else will get you despite what others have said. that said, transferring to a top-tier school is not easy from any school and getting a scholarship along the way is even harder. my suggestion is finish nyit if you can maintain this gpa and you are majoring in one of nyit's competencies like cs, eng, arch, health sciences and so on. you will get a good job or acceptance to a good grad school in the end. too many drop-outs seem to set the reputation for nyit (and if you truly have a 4.0, i don't mean someone like you).</p>

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<p>Um NYIT is a pretty darn reputable school. especiallially in architecture and communications as well as graphic design.</p>

<p>depending on major a 4.0 in NYIT is as said above equal to a 4.0 at any other school ranked above 20 on the lists.</p>

<p>I attended NYIT and thoght it was a great school, just didnt like the comute everyday.</p>

<p>Il take my summer classes there.</p>

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<p>" a 4.0 from nyit will get you where a 4.0 from anywhere else "
Are you serious? I'm not even going to argue with this one as it's obviously wrong. I'm not saying that a 4.0 from NYIT won't get you any where, it's great, but to say that the that it's equivalent to a 4.0 from MIT is simply wrong.</p>

<p>It may be a reputable school but I have only seen an ad for it once, and I live in the city. After looking into it it doesn't seem to be very competitive...averege SAT is about 1100 and they accept more than 2/3 of applicants. </p>

<p>"depending on major a 4.0 in NYIT is as said above equal to a 4.0 at any other school ranked above 20 on the lists."</p>

<p>You should look at the schools above the top 20, UVa, Emory, Berkeley, UCLA, UMich, UNC, Tufts....there are very good schools that almost everyones heard about up to I'd say 50. I don't really believe in rankings but I don't see how NYIT compares with those schools I just mentioned and many more. I dont mean to bash NYIT in anyway and there is more to a successful life to a degree from a top 20 school or whatever, but let's not get carried away. </p>

<p>Regardless, the OP wants to transfer out.</p>

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<p>college is pretty much just marketing. I dont really belive somebody with a B.S from columbia will do any better than a B.S from NYIT or another less known school. Ive had engineering internship interviews and not 1 time did they care where i went to school.</p>

<p>the whole name game of college its pretty crazy, i mean 93% of the professors with doctorates in NYIT come from NYU and columbia, idk how much better of a teaching staff you can get.</p>

<p>for your apllication you could write that you did not feel challenged enogh from NYIT, but i really doubt it will be much different at the new school.</p>

<p>for example when attending nyit, i took a summer class at nyu, it was a intermediate micrco econ class. Lets say i wnated to get the fell if nyu was the right school for me. I cant say that the class was any harder than my macro class at NYIT. actuallythey were both pretty similair in difficulty.</p>

<p>so i really dont think big name schools are worth it.</p>

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<p>"I dont really belive somebody with a B.S from columbia will do any better than a B.S from NYIT or another less known school. Ive had engineering internship interviews and not 1 time did they care where i went to school" </p>

<p>Are you genuinely serious in your argument? Columbia is a highly selective Ivy league school that is internationally known and has an amazing undergrad and grad schools that are often mentioned as being in the top 10. Most people havent heard of NYIT, and it isn't that selective. I'm sure they looked at your school when assesing your resume for the internship. Do you honestly believe that you'd ge tthe internship if someone else with the same stuff as you but with a B.S. from Columbia or MIT would have applied too? How about when your applying for a job at an established firm? </p>

<p>There are definately overrated and underrated colleges but usually a college earns there rep, employers don't like Harvard students because they only like the name Harvard, they like the reputation Harvard has earned. </p>

<p>Whats better than having profs with doctorates from NYU and Columbia? Profs who are Nobel Laureates (UChicago). </p>

<p>Again, I don't mean to bash NYIT or say its a bad school, but you just cant say that its just as good as any other school.</p>

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<p>"dude, i am not being nasty, but a 4.0 from NYIT is NOT IMPRESSIVE NO MATTER HOW U SLICE IT. I would rather have a 3.0 from U of Michigan"</p>

<p>i work in a technical field for one of the largest corporations in america alongside graduates from all kinds of school and i can tell you, all things being equal, an nyit 4.0 will get the job over a michigan 3.0. i check this forum once in a while in order to assist my daughter over college selection, and i can tell you the obsession over rankings and reputation among many here is totally disconnected with the reality out in the world. at my corp the majority of the senior executives are not ivy league grads. even a mit 4.0 does not have an advantage over a nyit 4.0 come promotion time. he might have an edge getting in though.</p>

<p>"Are you serious? I'm not even going to argue with this one as it's obviously wrong. I'm not saying that a 4.0 from NYIT won't get you any where, it's great, but to say that the that it's equivalent to a 4.0 from MIT is simply wrong."</p>

<p>well ok, a handful of names have special effect on people. mit, harvard ... but i was talking in the context of the more than 1000 colleges and universities in the country. michigan is not mit.</p>

<p>"It may be a reputable school but I have only seen an ad for it once, and I live in the city."</p>

<p>so? most people have never heard of harvey mudd, rose-hulman or cooper union. yet everyone has heard of louisiana state or fresno state. is that how you select schools?</p>

<p>"A student in my school with an SAT score of 750 out of 1600 and an average of 68 got in there with a scholarship"</p>

<p>maybe he got into the special ed program. i think nyit should be congratulated for such a program. most schools, i would guess, would probably avoid such programs, lest it dilute their reputation.</p>

<p>"Whats better than having profs with doctorates from NYU and Columbia? Profs who are Nobel Laureates (UChicago)."</p>

<p>i don't think so. for undergrad you need good teachers, not nobel laurates who spend most of their time on research. you dont have to be at chicago to learn about the theory of one of its laurates.</p>

<p>"Again, I don't mean to bash NYIT or say its a bad school, but you just cant say that its just as good as any other school."</p>

<p>i don't think anyone was saying that. nyit is definitely no mit. but a good student at nyit can accomplish the same thing that a good student at mit can. he will recieve the education that he needs. from there on its personal merit.</p>

<p>"Regardless, the OP wants to transfer out."</p>

<p>yeah back to the point. i think a transfer for no compelling reason is difficult to explain to a prospective employer or grad school eventually. regardless of what school you are coming from or what your grades are, transferring to the highest tier schools with a scholarship is almost impossible. that is why i say stick it out. people like to see stability and perseverance. imho, compelling reasons would be lack of a specific major, need to relocate for some reason and so on.</p>

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<p>i have to say very well put nguye89.</p>

<p>Ive also heard from numerouse people in my chosen field, and the school really doesnt matter. especially for an undergraduate. Its all about money and those dumb enogh to fork over 30+k for a elite education our wasting their money.</p>

<p>id also like to point out that the majority of engineers hired in Ny metropolitan area are not taken from columbia or other schools like it.</p>

<p>They come from Manhattan college, NYIT, Polytechnic, cuny queens and city and NYIT.</p>

<p>NYU engineering is a joke.</p>

<p>as for the statement of the student with a 750 sat.</p>

<p>NYIT gives a ton of sholorships to many students, many more than your name brand colleges. maybe the student was a ESL student or maybe a international one. almost every student gets a scholorship to NYIT, due to the huge donations it gets from succesful alumni.</p>

<p>also as for employers not knowing about NYIT, your pretty much insane for saying that.</p>

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<p>“even a mit 4.0 does not have an advantage over a nyit 4.0 come promotion time. he might have an edge getting in though.”
As I said earlier, “there is more to a successful life to a degree from a top 20 school”. It would make sense if promotions are given according to ones success while they work, what college they went to wouldn’t be a direct reason. However, like you said, actually getting the job is the important is where the college really comes in. </p>

<p>“at my corp the majority of the senior executives are not ivy league grads” I know nothing about your corp so I cant really say anything but its important to keep in mind that there are a lot of other colleges perhaps better than the Ivy League colleges, and there is a limit to how many students graduate from those particular schools and that whole number is nowhere near the number needed to say ‘all execs from corps have graduated from an ivy league school’. Nonetheless, a degree from a school that is more known (ivy or other top schools) will have a higher shot at a (perhaps initial) job, which will pave the way for their career, all things being equal. I am in no way saying that a b.s. degree from NYIT is worthless compared to one from Stanford, but to say that they are equal when looking for a job still doesn’t register for me.
“well ok, a handful of names have special effect on people. mit, harvard ... but i was talking in the context of the more than 1000 colleges and universities in the country. michigan is not mit”
Your ( nguye89) statement (“a 4.0 from nyit will get you where a 4.0 from anywhere else”) was what I was arguing against. Just as how Michigan is not MIT, NYIT isn’t UMich. </p>

<p>“so? most people have never heard of harvey mudd, rose-hulman or cooper union. yet everyone has heard of louisiana state or fresno state. is that how you select schools”
Um, no. I never said that that’s the way I choose my college. UB-Vinny77 said that “NYIT is a pretty darn reputable school”. I went to a NYC HS and a lot of colleges were talked about but I never heard of NYIT. I would suspect (not sure) that most NYIT are in-state and the school would most likely try to get in-state students, and being a NYC HS student I had not heard of them from any of my teachers, guidance counselors, friends, or resources (book/internet). I had only seen an ad for it once. Therefore, from my personal experience and point of view, the school isn’t that reputable compared with many other schools that I have looked into. I also find it funny that I’ve heard of Harvey Mudd and Cooper Union (which I thought was fairly prestigious and competitive) and never heard of Louissiana State or Fresno State. But like I said, I never mentioned anything about selecting my schools based on how many of my friends heard of it or how many ads I’ve seen. In fact, most of my friends don’t even know that much about the schools I’m applying to transfer into.
“i don't think so. for undergrad you need good teachers, not nobel laurates who spend most of their time on research. you dont have to be at chicago to learn about the theory of one of its laurates.”
In terms of the academic background of a professor, I’m assuming a Nobel Laureate would be more knowledgable about a subject than most professors. That doesn’t mean that they will necessarily be a good teacher. But UB-Vinny77 said that profs from NYU and Columbia are the very best. I assumed he meant best as in academically, in which case a Nobel Laureate would probably be better, or am I wrong? A good teacher is more than the professors education though and none of us can give a perfect argument saying that UChicago profs are better than NYIT profs because there are a lot of variables such as teaching style, class size, environment and blah blah blah. While your probably correct that a lot of Nobel Laureates spend a lot of time researching, you can’t conclude that they don’t spend ‘enough’ time with their students and I can’t argue that they do, just the same with us not being able to say that all NYIT profs spend ‘enough’ time with their students. </p>

<p>Two of your quotes:
“i can tell you that a 4.0 from nyit will get you where a 4.0 from anywhere else”
“i don't think anyone was saying that. nyit is definitely no mit”
You contradicted yourself. </p>

<p>“Its all about money and those dumb enogh to fork over 30+k for a elite education our wasting their money.”
It’s a lot about priorities, expectations, and goals imo. I’m not going to go into a whole essay about why great colleges are worth their price tag, but just keep in mind that some people have other reasons to go to such a college besides the professional aspect (not to say that that isn’t the most common one). I go to CUNY Baruch and ‘only’ pay about 2G semester, but I’m looking to transfer to schools that cost 30+k. I guess I’m just too dumb to look for more. More at what cost you may ask but whatever my choice is mine to make and yours is yours to make.
“id also like to point out that the majority of engineers hired in Ny metropolitan area are not taken from columbia or other schools like it.</p>

<p>They come from Manhattan college, NYIT, Polytechnic, cuny queens and city and NYIT.”
I’d like to see your sources. Not because I don’t believe you, and I don’t, but I’m just curious. I’m not even an engineering major.
“NYIT gives a ton of sholorships to many students, many more than your name brand colleges. maybe the student was a ESL student or maybe a international one. almost every student gets a scholorship to NYIT, due to the huge donations it gets from succesful alumni.”
And why do they give donations? To get more students just like many other schools. With comments like “your name brand schools” and your overall tone it feels like you think this is a battle or I hate you NYIT and I’m all for these ‘name brand colleges’. Like I said, I’m not bashing NYIT, I’m bashing the thought that it’s the same as the ‘name brand colleges’. </p>

<p>“also as for employers not knowing about NYIT, your pretty much insane for saying that.”
I’m insane? Maybe you should have your eyes checked as I didn’t say anything like that. How about you fix that hostile attitude too? </p>

<p>Obviously I have way too much time on my hand……stupid Sunday nights.</p>

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<p>actually the majority of nyit classes have a 1:8 teacher student ratio.</p>

<p>as for the souces why dont u search.</p>

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<p>I never said anything about NYIT having a high ratio...</p>

<p>If you had valid sources you would have posted them.</p>