<p>I didn't apply as a freshman, because I didn't think i'd get in and that it'd be a waste of time.</p>
<p>However, I'm going to another school, and keeping the option open of transferring. </p>
<p>My HS Stats are a 3.6 GPA, 1860 SAT (1300 M+V), good ECs.</p>
<p>What type of GPA do I need? I'm OOS. Should I try and transfer after one year or two?</p>
<p>So, do I have a shot?</p>
<p>By the way, i'm applying for McIntire.</p>
<p>i got in OOS (from Georgia) two weeks ago. (i had a 1410 M + V and a 4.0 college GPA) </p>
<p>obviously, make sure that you have a very high GPA. Also, keep college ECs in mind and be on the lookout for leadership opportunities, etc. One thing that I read on another site was that essays are especially important for transfer students (and I would assume, even more important for OOS applicants) - this, BTW was written by a student who worked in the admissions office. I don't know how UVA evaluates SAT scores for transfers, but i would guess yours is high enough if its combined with a good college GPA. </p>
<p>good luck. i hear McIntire = amazing.</p>
<p>Hey I just got in as a transfer after my first year and my high school gpa was a 3.6 like you. My SAT was a 1300 with Math and verbal (this is before your writing section). I pulled a 4.0 first semester and I think thats what got me into the college. So basically thats what you gotta do, get a 4.0 first semester. Even a little under could ruin your chances from what I hear on this message board.</p>
<p>Ouch, you guys are basically telling me I have to pull off a 4.0 freshman year. I've never done that in my life, in HIGH SCHOOL!</p>
<p>What about like a 3.7-3.8, i'm sure I can do that. They just look at my first semester grades, right?</p>
<p>gubba, are you in-state or out? What college are/were you going to?</p>
<p>Your big mistake was not attending a community college in Virginia. A 3.4 at a Virginia community college, with no grade lower than a C and at least a B in English, guarantees your admission to UVA. Your SAT score is totally irrelevant under the guaranteed admission program.</p>
<p>But the guaranteed admission is only for the college of arts and sciences. i dont think it is applicable for the school of bussiness or archatecture(sp?) or engineering.</p>
<p>"By the way, i'm applying for McIntire."</p>
<p>haha, that will be the toughest, especially since it got ranked No.2 .</p>
<p>quixotic, I don't think that's the right way to think about the situation...</p>
<p>Cavalier302: </p>
<p>Ok, how about this--</p>
<p>US Constitution, 14th Amendment:</p>
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Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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<li> State action.</li>
<li> Denial of equal protection of the laws to state residents who attend four-year or out-of-state two-year institutions, as they are not eligible for guaranteed transfer admissions.</li>
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<p>Virginia apparently thinks they can get away with this type of discrimination because of the lower level of scrutiny the Supreme Court accords cases that do not deal with race or sex discrimination. I would love to hear the University of Virginias position on how their discriminatory transfer admissions policy is rationally related to a legitimate state interest. </p>
<p>Maybe Virginia residents will start asking their state legislators for an explanation.</p>
<p>Or, perhaps Dean J can let us know why the University finds it necessary to maintain a discriminatory transfer admissions policy.</p>
<p>Lol. quixotic, the guaranteed transfer program is, in large part, a move by the University to meet a popular institutional goal in college admissions today: increasing socioeconomic diversity. It's been decided that one way to do this is to increase community college transfers and to institute "guaranteed" transfer programs. In doint this, UVA, a state university, will better serve its residents. UVA is not a trailblazer in doing this. In fact, other top state universities, like UCB, have been doing it for years. And the added transfers from CC's will not come at the expense of transfers from other 4-year schools. UVA will be expanding enrollment accordingly to accomodate them. When it comes down to it, if you're qualified to be admitted as a transfer, you'll get in. From what I've seen, it's generally easier to get in as a transfer than getting in as a first year, anyway. </p>
<p>But I'm sure you know better, quixotic.</p>
<p>LOL Cavalier!</p>
<p>I highly doubt that accepting community college students who complete at least 54 hours in two years with reasonably decent grades is a good proxy for finding economically disadvantaged students. The students working fulltime and squeezing in classes in their spare time are the ones who are struggling. Further, what makes you think that community colleges have a lock on the economically deprived? Some are actually attending four-year institutions with the help of need-based aid. Why should these students have to meet higher standards when they desire to transfer to UVA?</p>
<p>If the Universitys goal is to increase socioeconomic diversity, it could more easily and more directly accomplish that task by considering that factor in the admissions process, and by providing sufficient financial aid. </p>
<p>On other threads, you advise transfer students to have very high GPAs, for instance:</p>
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It's probably easier if you're applying after two years than if you're applying after one, particularly if your HS transcript wasn't too impressive. You'll also need a fairly high GPA - probably 3.7 or above.
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<p>So the question is still, why discriminate in favor of community college transfers? Why can they have a lower gpa? Why do they not need to worry about essays (otherwise important, according to you)? Why do they not have to worry about SAT scores (even if submitted)? Why do they not have to worry about ecs?</p>
<p>In addition, if a school is going to guarantee admissions to any group, it is no longer in control of its class size as it must take all who meet the criteria. I dont believe that you are in any position to guarantee anyone that UVA will continue to expand to accommodate a steadily increasing enrollment demand.</p>
<p>No one is saying that community college students should not be admitted as transfers to UVA, only that they should meet the same admissions criteria as any other transfer candidate. It is flat out unfair to give this group a preference in admissions.</p>
<p>i'm in state and I went to main campus Penn State</p>
<p>quixotic, I agree :) Well assessed.</p>
<p>The guaranteed admissions program is great for a VA cc student, but I also think that it can be seen as unfair to oos transfers as well as to those students - especially the instaters - who worked very hard in hs and had competitive stats but ended up rejected or waitlisted. The guaranteed admission program is like a second chance program for the instaters who could have done better in hs.... Don't mean to offend anyone - just my opinion...</p>
<p>One reason that colleges use multiple factors to evaluate students for admission is that no one factor is adequate to determine a student's ability to succeed at a particular college. However UVA has done just that with this agreement. A particular CC student may bring socioeconomic diversity to UVA, but that does not mean that as a group these students will. Yes, CC's are less expensive so they are attractive to students for this reason. But they are also open admission so the less well-prepared for college attend for that reason.</p>
<p>Quality varies widely in CC's. Classes taught as dual enrollment (which other than ENG 111-112 and foreign language are accepted under this agreement) in the high schools are often college-level in name only. Classes taught on-line are becoming more prevalent and have multiple problems with quality and suffer from a lack of proper supervision of test-taking. Students can do very well in these classes without ever seeing the teacher face-to-face. How prepared will some of these students be to graduate from UVA in the required four semesters? </p>
<p>Make no mistake - I have no problem with admitting qualified CC graduates to UVA. I just do not believe that guaranteed admission based solely on GPA in a required set of classes is adequate evaluation of ability to succeed at UVA. And why would a student who has similar qualifications but who desires to transfer from a four-year college not receive the same preferential treatment?</p>
<p>If you actually give this percentage of a crap about the issue then you should probably be doing more than posting about it on the internet.</p>
<p>As a UVA student I feel very privileged to attend this college because it has such a great reputation, a reputation which seems to be well-deserved. You don't get to be the #2 public university in the country by making stupid decisions and I trust that this decision was the best for the college. As a Virginia resident, I also trust that the decision benefits my state. I have faith in my university.</p>
<p>YOU are the one making the claims that this hurts people, that it unfairly discriminates, that it (apparently, from your quote) goes against the 14th Amendment. I see no evidence that any of this is so. Just your assumptions. You say you want answers, and "I'd love to know what X and Y think of this" but you clearly don't care enough to get off your backside and find the answers.</p>
<p>I agree with that, pizzelle. I don't see how the CC thing discriminates against anyone - the increased number of CC transfers taken will be equal to an enrollment increase. Oh well, I guess quixotic knows more than the board of trustees, the president, the provost, etc, etc, etc. Maybe he should run UVA!</p>
<p>Exactly. I assumed the increase in transfer acceptances would cause an increase in overall acceptances. Quixotic (perfectly chosen name) says that you aren't "in any position" to guarantee this to anyone, when he/she is apparently in the position to guarantee that the statement is false. What sense does that make?</p>