<p>1337- I want to caution you about Penn and you are free to PM me. I know several kids who are transferring from Penn for many of the same reasons you are unhappy with Cornell. Just from what you have shared here, I don't think Penn or Columbia are the places for you, unless you simply want a big city and feel you can be happy in one no matter what the educational opportunities are. Have you looked at Harvey Mudd?</p>
<p>I second looking into Harvey Mudd.</p>
<p>come to NYU Stern. Top notch business program and no frats</p>
<p>"I'm not sure he had a problem with the environment of Cornell, just the SAT average of its admitted students and overall prestige"</p>
<p>I agree this is pretty much what it was, though he wasn't involved in a single thing on campus ... I will go ahead and make a blatant generalization here, but I'm sure this added to his misery on campus. I suggested he get involved, had a good time, and forgot about that 2 hour exam back in high school. </p>
<p>"I thought bball had something like a 3.6?"</p>
<p>it was like a 3.85 or something with 2 semesters. </p>
<p>"Now I know you are going to come right back and list some flaws with Georgetown, and frankly, I don't care."</p>
<p>I really don't know a list of flaws. </p>
<p>"A dose of critical edge goes a long way; try sitting in your dorm room for two hours to think about the ways Cornell could be better."</p>
<p>I will totally agree that Cornell has its flaws. The point I'm trying to make is that I dont think they're what the OP has stated. On another thread, we went through a list of things that are happening on campus besides frat parties, and I'm not the only one whose stated that they're dull, dirty, and don't attend. I was a little proactive last year and now i'm involved in 1 on 1 research with a professor who i'm very close with now, so i uge the OP to do the same if he feels like there's a 'disconnect'. Cornell parties with a state school mentality? Come on, I'm sure you'll agree that there are many many colleges that love the party on mon-sun. </p>
<p>I do think Cornell has its own flaws, I can list them out if you want. </p>
<p>"Just from what you have shared here, I don't think Penn or Columbia are the places for you"</p>
<p>I agreed with this earlier in the thread, i'm glad to hear it come from somebody else as well. </p>
<p>"you need to be less insistive about Cornell."</p>
<p>I know i"m extremely pro-Cornell, but i'm insisitive here because I know that the OP can likely take some action to fix the problems he/she's been citing. And perhaps you just might sort of agree that some of the places he's cited as a transfer may not be the place to fix those problems...</p>
<p>okay, he obviously wants Penn because it has a top business program that's more prestigious then Cornell. Go ahead and try. You should probably stop wasting your time trying to convince people of CC on why you are transferring though.</p>
<p>We all know Penn has a more dominant frat scene and has no more of a connection between students and professors than Cornell.</p>
<p>wow foxdie you crack me up. "You should probably stop wasting your time trying to convince people of CC on why you are transferring though." Notice I haven't tried convincing anyone, it is rather you and gomestar who have been wasting your time trying to heal your egos just because I said some adverse/controversial things about Cornell (do you even go to Cornell?). Note that this is OK, this is an understandable emotional response, it hurts anyone's ego when someone says something bad about the school they go to, it makes them feel less prestigious, but this emotion is not something to express on message boards.</p>
<p>also foxdie, it is another important lesson to learn to speak for yourself, and not say things like, "he obviously wants Penn because it has a top business program that's more prestigious then Cornell." Actually, med school is probably much more likely for me, and prestige takes a backseat to atmosphere.</p>
<p>I also need to point out that your statement, again speaking for "all" the people as usual, "We all know Penn has a more dominant frat scene." is 100% objectively false.</p>
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<p>The points of this thread were clearly defined from the beginning:</p>
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<p>My 4.0 engineering GPA should make me competitive, but it sure as hell wont get me admitted, which brings up the other question of whether I should wait till next year and try to get a "hook" of sorts. What do you guys suggest?
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<p>In essence, 1337, you are getting what you asked for, though this should not turn into some sort of debate as to whether Cornell is right for you and other schools are not. As a final answer to your question OP, if you intend to apply to these schools now, you should do so quickly as the deadlines are approaching. You would be competitive at the schools that interest you and, as I have said, you have two possible courses of action:</p>
<p>1) Apply to schools now and see what happens, with the possibility of staying at Cornell anyway.
2) Not applying to schools now and being stuck at Cornell until the next transfer term.</p>
<p>My advice is to apply now and see what happens; there's no harm in seeing what your options might be if you apply, and many posters on CC do just that.</p>
<p>"Note that this is OK, this is an understandable emotional response, it hurts anyone's ego when someone says something bad about the school they go to, it makes them feel less prestigious"</p>
<p>it's not an ego boost, but rather making you aware of the facts that you seem to be missing. They're rather important. Brand182 was right when he said "you are getting what you asked for" ... I just don't think it's what you wanted to hear so you're turning it back onto me as an "ego issue." I have no trouble listing the things I think Cornell should change, but I don't think any of them will match with your list; your list of problems has less to do with the university and more to do with YOU!</p>
<p>eh, omit that last sentence, it's a bit harsher than I intended. Not in the greatest of moods, my car was just got wrecked ... again.</p>
<p>It wasn't that harsh.</p>
<p>Sorry about the car, doode.</p>
<p>not that harsh I know, but certainly more than I would have said otherwise.</p>
<p>I thought having 3 midterms the week of my 21st was low enough, now I can't even drive to the liquor store to improve it with the help of the saints at Chateau Leoville Barton, St.-Julien.</p>
<p>again, gomestar, it looks like i hurt your ego by the look of your continued pointless responses. sorry about it and sorry about your car. if all you can say is that i have problems with thinking Cornell isn't right for me, then it's probably best not to post, which i don't think you should have done in the first place anyway, since all i see is a kid trying to boost his esteem. perhaps you will eventually realize that different people can have different opinions about the same thing, and maybe one day you can respect those opinions without taking it as a personal injury. i have pretty much gotten what i needed from the other folks, although im still stuck on whether to wait to wait till soph. year to apply to schools, so you can continue your pointless rambling about the injustice and slander that Cornell is being subjected to on other threads which also probably have nothing to prove like mine. good luck with prelims; i have 4 in 4 consecutive days, it is a tough time for all of us.</p>
<p>I agree, now my responces are pointless ... I've already made all of my points, you're just not happy with them. </p>
<p>"if all you can say is that i have problems with thinking Cornell isn't right for me, then it's probably best not to post"
I did say that, sort of. But, more importantly, I gave you suggestions on how you can try to fix this! You cited some problems that have some simple solutions: I can easily suggest a club or two that is very humanitarian based that might help you out a bit, but I sure as heck can't have Cornell make up another major that you're really intersted in (fortunately, this isn't the problem you cite). </p>
<p>"perhaps you will eventually realize that different people can have different opinions about the same thing"
Again, I agree that it's your opinion, but I'm insisting it's something you can help change with a little action on your part. It was meant to help you out as I know Cornell can be a bit overwhelming at times, but all I hear in return is denial as the problem couldn't possibly have anything to do with you. </p>
<p>" although im still stuck on whether to wait to wait till soph. year to apply to schools"</p>
<p>I would wait as your applications is, self admittedly, only average with everything besides the scores. Work hard and get some activities on that resume, the 8% that stanford or harvard takes are hardly "average." Otherwise, if you're really as desperate as you make it sound, you should have no qualms applying to some less selective schools. </p>
<p>To be honest, I don't give a hoot if you stay or go. It won't affect me in any way shape or form, it'll only make room for somebody that does want to explore what the school has to offer. I'll admit, I do have a bit of an ego. Unfortunately, for somebody whose taken criticism so poorly, I'd venture to argue that you do as well.</p>
<p>I think the problem is you, not the school. If you feel any type of depression, that feeling is going to come at any school. Stick it out. Maybe you miss home.</p>
<p>This is only a few years of your life. The think carefully what you are giving up.</p>
<p>gomestar, you're getting ridiculous. "Gomestar, I'll try to find the good things Cornell has to offer as much as I can, and perhaps it wont be so bad after all. We'll see." You call that taking criticism poorly? Jesus dude grow up and get off my case. I think a lot of people transfer for reasons other than just the fact their school doesn't have the program they want.</p>
<p>Also I'm sick of hearing lies like "Otherwise, if you're really as desperate as you make it sound, you should have no qualms applying to some less selective schools." Who said I was desperate and my application is average for everything other than scores? Read again, are you even reading? I believe I have a shot at Stanford, and the only thing that will change that is if i do something really extraordinary here. You think joining a few more clubs and doing a couple more activities (I'm already in 3 clubs here) is going to make me have such a better chance? Really dude, you're pretentiousness is getting extremely annoying, to the point of where your posts are so extravagantly stupid that it angers me.</p>
<p>You should transfer if you don't like Cornell.</p>
<p>"Also I'm sick of hearing lies like "Otherwise, if you're really as desperate as you make it sound, you should have no qualms applying to some less selective schools.""</p>
<p>so i'm not the first to say this to you?</p>
<p>"Who said I was desperate"</p>
<p>you did with phrases like: "It is a depressing atmosphere day-by-day, I feel like its draining the life out of me". This is either bordering on desperation or a severe overusage of strong words. </p>
<p>"and my application is average for everything other than scores?"
i say your scores are above average, in fact excellent. You say that you have "average EC's". I'm putting money on 'more than average' is needed for the places your looking at. </p>
<p>"I believe I have a shot at Stanford, and the only thing that will change that is if i do something really extraordinary here"</p>
<p>then more power to you. I say if you do something really extraordinary here then you have a shot. Nothing personal, I can't help but say it about a school that takes less than 5 out of every 100 people that apply as transfers. </p>
<p>"you're pretentiousness is getting extremely annoying, to the point of where your posts are so extravagantly stupid that it angers me."</p>
<p>I don't care. Again, I gave you advice that you clearly didn't like. Is this pretentious? Perhaps to some degree (somehow), but you're not taking any responsibility for why you may be unhappy, it's only the university's fault. I find this to be slightly pretentious.</p>
<p>Call me corny if you want, but I honestly believe that this thread was one of the best threads I've read here on CC. I love debates... they fued my critical thinking...</p>
<p>GomeStar and the other guy: I find both of you to be very smart and both did a good job on rebutting each others claims...</p>
<p>Ooo and I agree with the starter of this thread I terms of you not being happy and wanting to transfer... do what you want to do... not what others tell you. Plus you have a great shot now. You don't gotta wait till next year... good luck to you wherever you go or even if you end up staying at Cornell.</p>