Transferring out of Swarthmore with a mediocre GPA...help?

Can’t you take Wharton classes from Swat? I thought they were part of a consortium of sorts. You could take as few Swat Econ classes as possible and augment with Penn. If you can show a Swat Econ degree but 6 Penn classes (1 a semester), I think you will find you are essentially a business major for hiring purposes. I don’t know how that meets Swat degree requirements, though.

@PurpleTitan - Simply just looking for internships for this past summer, I was having a lot of difficulty finding ANY business-field internship that did not require someone with a “business” major.
@mathprof63 - Thank you for this advice!
@FHMom91 - I know that there are many Swat grads who go onto become financial analysts and consultants… I however don’t want to enter into that field of business. I would much rather be in marketing, human resources, management, organization, that sort of thing.
@bluebayou - I have residency in both a New England state (not NY) as well as California
@monydad - Thank you!
@Daddio3 - I am able to take Wharton classes. However, I am not fully aware of the limit to how many credits we can take. I will look into those business classes though.

You can try to transfer in to Haas, Ross, or Kelley.
Still will be tough and I know that Ross would require an extra year.

@PurpleTitan - Does Haas accept junior transfers? I was under the impression that they only accepted sophomore transfers.

Haas only takes junior transfers.

Not with the low GPA. From what I’ve seen GPA must be higher than 3.8 from CC. I believe even though you went to Swat, not a CC, but I don’t think they care. Best to go to CC and then transfer to Haas.

@PurpleTitan - Could you tell me what this statement means, from the UC Berkeley website? “Students admitted as junior transfers to UC Berkeley’s College of Letters & Science or other majors are NOT eligible to apply to the Haas Undergraduate Program. In addition, we cannot review applications from students who have already earned a bachelor’s degree.”

@DrGoogle - Thank you for your advice.

Post #26, it means you have to apply to Haas directly and not relying on getting into L&S as a transfer and then later do a transfer to Haas.

@sardonyx827, Why are your parents against the CC option? I honestly feel that in your case, that route might give you your best shot if you want your degree from a top business school.

The big question is, how unhappy are you at Swarthmore? When I first read your post, I assumed you had already made the decision to transfer (and change to a business major). Now, I’m not so sure since you seem amenable to the suggestions posters have made in regards to sticking it out. Can you clarify this? If you are intent on transferring no matter what, you really need to put some match and safety schools on your list. IMO, everything mentioned so far by you and others seems like quite a reach (and in some cases unreachable) at a 3.0-3.1. If you are able to work hard this coming semester and bump that up a bit, that might help a little. But you still need match and safety schools unless staying at Swarthmore is an option.

By the way, I do think @Daddio3 's suggestion of taking the Wharton classes is a great one. That seems to be an ideal compromise if you consider staying. You don’t even have to be an Econ major (what I’d normally consider to be the closest thing to a business major), if that doesn’t interest you. There are probably dozens of combinations that can get you closer to the marketing, HR, management and type positions you are interested in, without actually having a Marketing etc. major.

@DrGoogle - Thank you for the clarification, that makes much more sense :slight_smile:

@justlookingnow - I think they are just very mortified at the idea of my taking a year off from school… and it’s hard for me to communicate to them that it’s OK to take a leave of absence as long as I am not just sitting around doing nothing.

I am not completely intent on transferring, mostly because I think a part of me still thinks Swarthmore is something amazing and to give that up for a school that may not be a top business school is kind of discouraging to me. I know that it would be near impossible for me to go to a top tier business school though, with my GPA, so that’s why I’m so wary. Staying at Swarthmore is still an option. And I have actually looked into Wharton classes and I now think that it is definitely a good option. I don’t find myself to be particularly interested in economics, but so many people have told me that it’s a good practical major for someone who wants to go into business. I should probably look more into that.

Spending a year at community college, is not the same as taking a year off! There are many roads that can all get you to the same place. The cc route, can be a good one for many. For some people it is a necessity. In your case, I saw it more as a tool or strategy that you would use for a year, that would likely allow you to land in a “better” B school than you are in a position to gain admission to right now with your 3.0. But you wouldn’t be taking a leave of absence. You would be withdrawing from Swarthmore, enrolling and taking classes elsewhere (at your CC) for a period of time, then transferring again.

But since are ok with staying at Swarthmore, and seem to have a nice workaround with the Wharton option, then it may not be the route for you. And honestly, since you are willing to stay, that puts you in the great position of having nothing to lose! Go back this fall and work your tail off to try to bump your GPA as much as you can, and apply to some schools next spring as a Junior transfer, if you want! If you get in, great! If not, no big deal! You might even find that you no longer want to pursue a transfer at all. In the meantime, plan on taking advantage of as many Wharton classes as you can. First thing on your to do list when you are back on campus is to make an appointment with an advisor in your Career Resource center. Indicate what you think you might want to do after graduation (types of jobs) and that you are planning on supplementing your studies there with classes at Wharton. Get their opinions on logical major choices and Wharton areas of study. Find out what others before you have done and the types of jobs they ended up at. IMO, Econ might not be the best thing for you anyway given the areas you mentioned you were interested in earlier. Possibly Psych, Sociology, or even Math or a foreign language, combined with Marketing or Management classes from Wharton might be a good combination. Good luck.

@justlookingnow - Thank you so much for your insight and possible routes for me to take :slight_smile: It is greatly appreciated.

i know lots of kids who have difficult adjustments Freshmen Year and want to transfer at many schools. In addition to all the great advice above regarding academics since you mention difficulties with social adjustments I would look at why you had difficulties Freshmen year. Talk with friends and family, make a wish list of changes you want to make this year at college and really try to make those changes. Maybe a new start Sophomore year at Swat with a year of adjusting to college life under your belt you will enjoy Sophomore year more . Look at joining new clubs, meeting new people, participating more in the consortium with haverford/bryn mawr/penn not just for classes but for social experiences, etc. Usually happier students do better at college. You might find your GPA soaring this year if you are happier.

Definitely talk to career services. Just because job postings say they want business majors doesn’t mean that they won’t take non-business majors. I would be shocked if no Swattie ever went in to marketing or a management program. I think that sticking it out at Swat is your best bet. And pick a major and do activities that you are interested in but also gives you both quant skills and soft skills. Marketing is becoming more quantitative but also uses a lot of stuff from various social sciences. Management requires a ton of soft skills.

@momof2eagles - Thank you :slight_smile:
@PurpleTitan - I don’t enjoy economics which is why I would like to drop the major, and I also dont want to go into finance or investment banking, etc… but I will admit I am afraid of not having this major because I am afraid I won’t be able to find any internships.

Talk to career services. They’ll have an actual idea of what skills you learn in what majors may be useful for what fields. For that matter, I listed out some as well. For instance, for marketing, psychology, anthropology/sociology, cognitive science, and statistics are all useful.