Transferring to Ivy League / Hs Grade/SAT scores?

Transfer Students
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<p>I have a question about transferring to the Ivies.</p>

<p>Are your SAT scores a major factor in getting accepted? I've got a 1200 on my SAT back in high school, and I've gotten 4.0 my first year, and I'm hoping for a 3.7 so far this semester (I took 6 classes) My high school grades aren't anything special as I did poorly because I never applied myself. I've got very strong letters of recommendation, and I don't have that many ECs from high school or college. But here they are anyway:</p>

<p>College School Newspaper
Hs Art Club
Hs Math Club
College Chemistry Club</p>

<p>What are my chances at Harvard, Dartmouth or Cornel?</p>

<p>I'm concerned my SAT scores are too low to even be considered, additionally nothing stands out from my college grades because after-all, many students who attend my college have the same GPA as me, as the school I attend now isn't that difficult, and as I'm sure many of you know the way the teachers grade doesn't really reflect one's abilities.</p>

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<p>You need to retake the SAT in order to be competitive.</p>

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<p>Well are you saying that I have no chance of getting accepted with a 1200 SAT score?</p>

<p>For example on the NYU application they frown upon retaking of the SATs once in college for more then a year.</p>

<p>Can anyone else shed some light on how the Ivy addmission works? Is my application going to be immediately ruled out because of my low SAT score?</p>

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<p>dunno about nyu, but for ivies like cornell , etc i would recommend 1300+ at least</p>

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<p>Collegehopeful123,</p>

<p>Ditto.</p>

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<p>Also, it depends on how you weigh the risks and benefits. You have a better chance of getting into NYU over any Ivy, so the "backlash" of retaking the SAT can have an effect on a decent school that has a good chance of accepting you. It really depends on how much you are willing to stake for an Ivy League University. Given your current stats and current acceptance rates, I would not bet. </p>

<p>So if retaking the SAT has an adverse effect on your decision at NYU, I would not apply to any Ivys, except maybe Cornell, and stick with your current score. But I do not know about the admissions calculus at NYU, so you might be better off speaking to one who is well experienced in that area.</p>

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<p>NYU does not frown on retaking the sat/act. They state that if you are in college and have taken the act/sat, you should not retake it.</p>

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<p>That sounds an awful lot like a frown to me...</p>

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<p>it's all subjective then isn't it?</p>

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<p>Why not just take the ACT and submit that instead?</p>

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<p>hnbui,</p>

<p>Not necessarily, but given that you probably have not done as much research as those who actually argue that it is frowned upon, and have done their research, I would be inclined to take their word over yours.</p>

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<p>first, of all, your SAT is fine for NYU, low for the ivies. i agree completely with nspeds as it relates to the possibility of retaking.</p>

<p>second, i think hnbui is trying to say in a somewhat witty manner that NYU does more than frown upon retaking, they flat out say that u shouldnt do it, not arguing that they dont frown upon it.</p>

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<p>"hnbui,</p>

<p>Not necessarily, but given that you probably have not done as much research as those who actually argue that it is frowned upon, and have done their research, I would be inclined to take their word over yours."</p>

<p>-nspeds </p>

<p>wow. What a quick judgement of character. "You" are one of those who argue that they do frown on it... So does that mean you will be taking your own words over mine........ Also you know nothing more about them than you do about me... So quick are we to judge these days.</p>

<p>It clearly states on the application that you should not retake the act/sat once in college. No where does it state that "oh you will be frowned upon if you take the sat/act and send it to us". Your assumption that the adcom frowns upon retaking the act/sat is clearly unsubstantial. </p>

<p>Also please tone it down somewhat. Sometimes you come off as a tad "smartass-ish"</p>

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<p>"wow. What a quick judgement of character. "You" are one of those who argue that they do frown on it... So does that mean you will be taking your own words over mine........ </p>

<p>It clearly states on the application that you should not retake the act/sat once in college. No where does it state that "oh you will be frowned upon if you take the sat/act and send it to us". Your assumption that the adcom frowns upon retaking the act/sat is clearly unsubstantial. "</p>

<p>I have told you in private message that I derive my knowledge on this matter from what I read on these forums and from respectable sources. Thus, while it may seem as if I am taking my word over yours, my words are merely a compilation of reputable sources, thus I am taking the words of others over yours.</p>

<p>"It clearly states on the application that you should not retake the act/sat once in college. No where does it state that "oh you will be frowned upon if you take the sat/act and send it to us". Your assumption that the adcom frowns upon retaking the act/sat is clearly unsubstantial."</p>

<p>Your common sense in this situation is lacking; would any college application, verbatim, state "x is frowned upon"? </p>

<p>I do not need to tone it down, I am rather annoyed that your assertions should be the advice given to this person, as you have barely done research in this field and you do not even know how to guide yourself in this process. Moreover, regardless of whether my assertions are correct, your lack of experience entails that the thread starter must pursue more reputable sources to answer his question instead of ending his inquiry at your advice.</p>

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<p>wow. Again how do you derive from my statemets that i know not of what i speak.</p>

<p>I got accepted to nyu before and i am reapplying. I have research the school. Maybe i have not spent as much time as you on the computer looking at colleges all day and reading people's posts. But none the less i still read up about things.</p>

<p>Yes you need to tone it down alittle. If your advice is with a grain of salt and should not be trusted then please do not post in every thread with your condesending tone of smartass-ish and with the assumption that you are right.</p>

<p>Your assumption that it is frown upon is unsubstantial why? Because it is what it is. An assumption. It lacks evidence. You state that you are just restating information. Well sorry to tell you this, only one person on this thread have stated that it was frowned upon.</p>

<p>"Your common sense in this situation is lacking; would any college application, verbatim, state "x is frowned upon"? "</p>

<p>wow aren't we a quick judge of character.</p>

<p>"I do not need to tone it down, I am rather annoyed that your assertions should be the advice given to this person, as you have barely done research in this field and you do not even know how to guide yourself in this process. Moreover, regardless of whether my assertions are correct, your lack of experience entails that the thread starter must pursue more reputable sources to answer his question instead of ending his inquiry at your advice."</p>

<p>my lack of experience? You know nothing of me. Barely done research in this field? I'm sorry, i know enough about college admissions. </p>

<p>But I'm sorry if i don't waste my time here while my friends are out having fun. I'm sorry that i do not read every post there is on the board and then just restate all the information. I'm sorry that for everything i state i don't back up my information with a "well other people on this board have stated so before". I'm sorry that i do not find it immature for someone to apply to 10+ colleges. I'm sorry for the fact that I don't like to mimic and restate everything over and over again.</p>

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I got accepted to nyu before and i am reapplying. I have research the school. Maybe i have not spent as much time as you on the computer looking at colleges all day and reading people's posts. But none the less i still read up about things.

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<p>Congratulations on that, seriously.</p>

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Yes you need to tone it down alittle. If your advice is with a grain of salt and should not be trusted then please do not post in every thread with your condesending tone of smartass-ish and with the assumption that you are right.

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<p>I never post with the assumption that I am right. Moreover, I have included in one or two posts, a modest disclaimer informing the reader to do some more research, I suggest you do the same.</p>

<p>Moreover, I suggest that you refrain from using vulgur, lest I make judgements of your character as well.</p>

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Your assumption that it is frown upon is unsubstantial why? Because it is what it is. An assumption. It lacks evidence. You state that you are just restating information. Well sorry to tell you this, only one person on this thread have stated that it was frowned upon.

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<p>Once again, had you used the keen analytical skills that helped you get into NYU the first time and helped you garner so much information, you would have been able read the following phrase:</p>

<p>"Your common sense in this situation is lacking; would any college application, verbatim, state "x is frowned upon"? "</p>

<p>Moreover, while I say that I could be wrong, that does not necessarily make your post right, that would be a fallacy, but I will leave it to your keen analytical skills to ascertain that yourself.</p>

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my lack of experience? You know nothing of me. Barely done research in this field? I'm sorry, i know enough about college admissions.

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<p>Then why do you post on this forum? Clearly you post with the intention of gaining knowledge in this process. Judging by the questions you ask, which I can dig up, it is apparent that you do not possess the knowledge of say... slipper1234, or up40love.</p>

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But I'm sorry if i don't waste my time here while my friends are out having fun. I'm sorry that i do not read every post there is on the board and then just restate all the information. I'm sorry that for everything i state i don't back up my information with a "well other people on this board have stated so before. I'm sorry that i do not find it immature for someone to apply to 10+ colleges. I'm sorry for the fact that I don't like to mimic and restate everything over and over aga

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<p>Great job on being sorry, but I never said that applying to 10 colleges was a sign of immaturity, rather, it is a sign of desperateness on your behalf. While I do appreciate your ambition in this process, perhaps you would be better-off redefining your focus. Moreover, I restate things because some individuals lack the cognitive capacity to use the search feature and look for answers themselves. Furthermore, compiling a list of important information from this post's archive does not take more than an hour or so, perhaps with your "keen" analytical skill, it take you the entire day. If so, then please go out and have fun with your friends.</p>

<p>I will not respond any further to your incessant and untenable posts, rather, I forward the following warning to the thread-starter:</p>

<p>Please do ask others for advice on this matter. Neither mine nor hnbui's post should be taken as a definitive answer to these questions, but rather as a opinions and conjectures. Some conjectures will be more warranted than others, as can be proven by merely reading the archives on this forum. Of course, we have no way of assessing the validity of hnbui's claims since he is out having fun with this friends.</p>

<p>I also refer you to the following thread:
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=219828#post219828%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?p=219828#post219828&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>This really does show your knowledge in this field.</p>

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<p>ok easy does it gentlemen! back to ur corners. from what ive read you both have contributed greatly to the discussion in this forum. you really are blowin up over a technicality - the great battle of frowned upon vs. should not retake. theyre nearly synonyms! take some deep breaths.</p>

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<p>Yes, and I do apologize if I sound rude, for this is merely who I am. But hopefully my claim of knowing nothing should add some modesty to my character.</p>

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<p>yes i'm sorry that i'm not prolix as others. </p>

<p>The point of the matter is that even if you take the SAT/ACT over again and send the scores to NYU they will simply not look at it. It will neither be detrimental to your admitance nor will it cause them to frown on your application.</p>

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<p>nerd fight!!!</p>