Transitioning from Engineering to Med School

Hello there!

This is a genuine question, and I am posting it after analyzing well and giving it a deep thought.

I am currently a rising junior at Vanderbilt University, studying Civil Engineering. I have always been fascinated with both Human anatomy and physiology, and Civil Engineering since middle school. Being an international student, I chose to be on the safe side and went for engineering, as job security is higher.

I have been doing pretty well at Vandy, maintaining an overall GPA of 3.8, with research and internships.
But it seems like I have lost my fascination with Civil Engineering from a long time, about 2 years. My interest in studying Medicine has been coming back, and seems much stronger than my desire to be an engineer in future.

I have taken these Medicine relevant courses so far: Calculus 1 & 2, Physics 1 & 2, Chemistry 1 & 2. But I haven’t taken any other courses.

I am very confident that I can perform well on other sections on MCAT, especially Biology; I always used to study out of the book in Biology (mainly Human Anatomy and Physiology) since grade 8 and in the long run gathered a lot of information and continued doing that.
Human Anatomy and Physiology fascinates me like nothing else; it is something I can read about all day.

My questions are:

  1. Is it still possible for make to make this transition from engineering to Med School, without needing to take a gap year or any Pre-Bac program? I am ready to devote myself to the prep and I am very effective with time management.

  2. Provided that I can prepare for the rest of the subjects on MCAT on my own, do I still need to take the other classes at my University? My engineering classes are going to take most of the time already.

  3. How do Med Schools look at cases like mine? I do not have any research/shadowing experience in the field of medicine yet. Only volunteering experiences. However, I am very confident on my problem-solving and critical thinking skills.

It’d mean a lot if anyone can help.
Thank you!

This completely depends on the medical school(s) you apply to. You will probably have to take things like psychology, biology, microbiology, statistics, etc. depending on the school. A quick Google search will easily inform you.

IF, however you want to be a physician, don’t let an extra year dissuade you. It’s a small investment over a long career.

You should also look deeper into what physicians do day in and day out. Everything looks romantically cool from the outside. When you become an insider, the novelty will wear off. Make sure you are genuinely interested in the grind of medicine before making the jump.

Good luck.

Make an appointment with the pre med advisor at Vandy to discuss as soon as you can. Besides the necessary courses, shadowing, research, etc… you also need the pre med committee letter recommending you for med school. There are lots of moving parts and that’s the best person to help you navigate.

  1. Probably not. The application process for med school takes a full year–which means you would need to have all your pre-reqs completed, study for and take the MCAT, get the expected pre-med ECs done and be ready to apply June 1, 2019. That’s an impossible timeline.

  2. Are you asking if you can self-study as a substitute for completing pre-reqs? If that’s what you’re asking, the answer is NO. If a med school requires 6 credits of social sciences or a semester of biochem or a biostats course, then you’re not going to start med school classes unless you have them. Med schools do not check to see if you’ve completed your pre-reqs until post-acceptance/pre-matriculation --after you’ve submitted a final transcript w/proof of graduation-- so it’s quite possible to get accepted then have your acceptance withdrawn at the last minute for not having all the required coursework completed and verified by your official transcript.

A few med schools (USC, for example) do not list specific course requirements, but require “proof of competency” in organic chemistry, biology, genetics, biochemistry, physics, statistical methods, etc. Proof of competency cannot be satisfied just by having a great MCAT score, you must either have taken upper level electives in these areas OR have done extensive high level independent research (think senior research thesis) in all listed areas. The purpose of competency based admission is to allow applicants skip intro level classes in favor of more advanced classes. Note also that med schools will not accept AP credits as fulfilling admission requirements without supplementing those AP credits with an equal number of more advanced classes in the same dept. Also AP credits must appear on your college transcript and be assessed as equivalent to a course offered at your college if you want to use them as partial fulfillment of a pre-req.

  1. No research isn’t a deal-breaker so long as you’re not gunning for research intensive med schools (think Top 30 programs).

No shadowing will get your application tossed straight into the trash. You should aim to get at least 40-50 hours of shadowing done in a variety of specialties, especially in primary care fields, before you apply.

You’ll also need clinical volunteering/employment if you have not done any. You’ll need substantial more hours of this than shadowing. (Think triple digits.) Your volunteering needs to be in positions where you have direct patient contact. (“Close enough you can smell the patient.”)

Adcomms will also want to see a track record of regular community service (you’re going into a highly altruistic profession, they want a demonstrated proof of your altruism…) and some demonstration of your leadership potential/skills(because like it or not, doctors lead the healthcare team and you need to show you can do this).

Some comments: D1 made the transition from a physics & math major who decided to pursue med school as a senior to a successful med school applicant and now a 4th year medical resident. It can be done, but…you have to take your time to get all parts in place if you want to be successful. This means having a GPA in range for med school (3.7 or better). You don’t get cut any slack for having a tough major. Or for going to an academically challenging school. A great MCAT will not compensate for a lackluster GPA.

You also need to have all the other boxes checked–shadowing, community service, clinical volunteering, leadership–if you want to get adcomms to take your application seriously. Your stats only prevent your application from being tossed out; it’s your ECs, personal statement, LORs and everything else that get you invited to an interview.

Vanderbilt uses a health profession committee letter for students applying to med school. Not having one will be construed as a red flag on your application. You need to make an appointment with the health profession advising office when you return to campus and chat with them about what they expect from you if you want one.

Last comment–being fascinated by anatomy is wonderful, but its not nearly enough for a successful med school application. Medicine is not anatomy. That’s only a very tiny part. Medicine is mostly about dealing with flawed human beings with all their emotions, prejudices and stupidities on the what is often the very worst day of their lives. Patients will spit and curse at you, argue with you over treatment, ignore your advice, do exactly the opposite of what you suggest and continue to persist in doing the exact same behaviors that landed them in your office in the first place. If that doesn’t sound appealing to you, then maybe medicine isn’t the right path for you.

From the way you’ve worded you post, it mostly sounds like you’re running away from engineering, not running toward medicine. Examine your motives closely.

Please read my (long) response in your other thread on this topic–

http://talk.qa.collegeconfidential.com/other-med-school-topics/2091972-transitioning-from-engineering-to-med-school.html

I just noticed you’re an international student.

It’s extremely difficult for an international student to get accepted into a US med school. Last year fewer than 90 international students matriculated into all US med school combined; 85% of those internationals are Canadians.

The low matriculation rate is due to 3 factors:

  1. only 40 US med schools will consider internationals for admission. There are only about 8-12 that routinely accept more than 1 international student every few years.

  2. International applicants need to be superstars just to get their application read. International applicants are placed in separate pool from domestic applicants and are competing against each other for 1 or 2 positions.

  3. there is little to no funding for internationals to pay for med school. No merit aid, no grants, no loans. Before you will be allowed to enroll, you must placed anywhere from 1-4 years of tuition, fees (and at some schools living expenses) into a US escrow account ($120K-$450K, depending the school) OR present a letter of guaranty from your home country government saying they will support you for 4 years.

I just noticed you’re an international student.

It’s extremely difficult for an international student to get accepted into a US med school. Last year only 106 international students matriculated into all US med school combined; 85% of those internationals were Canadians. (More med school will consider Canadians for admission than true internationals plus the Canadian government offers guaranteed loans to their citizens.)

See: https://www.aamc.org/download/321462/data/factstablea4.pdf

The low matriculation rate is due to 3 factors:

  1. only ~40 US med schools will consider internationals for admission. There are only about 8-12 that routinely accept more than 1 international student every few years.

  2. international applicants need to be superstars just to get their application read. International applicants are placed in separate pool from domestic applicants and are competing against each other for 1 or 2 available positions.

  3. there is little to no funding for internationals to pay for med school. No merit aid, no grants, no loans. Before you will be allowed to enroll, you must place anywhere from 1-4 years of tuition, fees (and at some schools living expenses) into a US escrow account ($120K-$450K, depending the school) OR present a letter of guaranty from your home country government saying they will support you for 4 years.

International students cannot receive federal student loans which is how most US med students pay for their education. Private loans will require a qualified US co-signer. Med students also cannot work during med school. You don’t have the time and most schools flat out prohibit students from working.

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