Treatise Against the liberal arts

<p>^ Um, no there is no implication anywhere of any of those things in my post. I’m just giving my earnest opinion that there is absolutely no need for anyone to know anything about the humanities because we all know they’re irrelevant to the real world. At this very moment, scientists are working on a racism-solving machine. I hear they’re about to try their society-fixing machine right now in Egypt, as a matter of fact.</p>

<p>A better comment about George Bush would be that if he didn’t like money (as another poster suggested we should all pursue money), we wouldn’t have invaded (if you prefer the “George Bush is a liar” argument). Or, if he knew a thing about who supported who and what states and organizations were at odds and such (that’s IR stuff), we wouldn’t have invaded (if you prefer the “George Bush is an idiot” argument).</p>

<p>And it’s not like he did exceedingly well in college, anyway.</p>

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<p>Oh, ok, you were just trying to be stupid.</p>

<p>That’s cool.</p>

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<p>Hmm, both seem like rather simplistic explanations of his motives (and those of his advisors) for invading of Iraq. I think it’s more likely that they didn’t care about what was known than that they didn’t know enough.</p>

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<p>No, American Presidents have often had shockingly poor academic credentials.</p>

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Or sometimes none.</p>

<p>I think the OP proves that LA major haters have too much time on their hands :p.</p>

<p>You’re in high school. Don’t you have Vampire Diaries episodes to watch, or something equally thrilling?</p>

<p>I’m a creative writing major. I just landed an (extremely well-paid) summer internship for a major game studio as a game designer. With my liberal arts degree. Useless, right? Now I’ll go down your points by the line–</p>

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<p>Maybe your AP Lang class or whatever is different (that’s cute, by the way) but that’s about as false as it get with regard to college liberal arts degrees. Writers pen literature. Psychologists find new ways to help patients. Art majors create works to inspire and motivate. International Relations majors train to tackle worldwide issues that are often complex and multifaceted. Musicians and Actors perform and define the artistic age.</p>

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<p>You in your eighteen-year-old infinite wisdom are definitely the expert on these issues.</p>

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<p>I think you’re referring to the age-old truism that young people, in general, are liberals. Not just liberal arts majors. Not just college students. ‘Hypertransformationalism’ isn’t a word, by the way, and ‘transformationalist’ doesn’t make sense in that context, but it’s cute that you made one up.</p>

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<p>Anecdotes are invalid as logical examples. For all we know, your brother could be a three-time sex offender.</p>

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<p>Sure, we always need STEM people. That doesn’t mean we don’t also need soft-skills people. You seem to be pushing the point that they’re mutually exclusive when they’re very obviously not.</p>

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<p>This is just hilarious.</p>

<p>The OP has convinced me, there is a clear hierarchy of majors. From critical thinking skills to true knowledge to societal impact.</p>

<p>Thus, I present to you…</p>

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<p>Not that the OP even qualifies for #2 yet.</p>

<p>Really, I don’t see why it’s a big deal. The fellow majoring in History isn’t taking away from the education of the fellow majoring in Physics.</p>

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<p>Yes, exactly. I’m glad to see that you get me. Sometimes when I talk to really slow people (<em>cough</em>libartsmajors<em>cough</em>) they get frustrated because they can’t keep up and start throwing insults around.</p>

<p>Anyway, this whole discussion is starting to sound like a discussion at a dumb liberal arts class. Last year I was forced to take this stupid class on perspectivism and all people did was talk about different views and ****. All of you are talking about certain truths being more important and about people valuing different things, and I’m sorry, but it’s so dumb. We should be doing equations right now. I know for a fact that there’s a machine out there that can definitively answer the question “Should we ban liberal arts classes in college?” I mean, what are we doing to ourselves here?</p>

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<p>But how do you convince people that those solutions need to be implemented?</p>

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<p>Right, by using effective communication and education techniques (liberal arts disciplines, both) to connect with stakeholders and get them to buy into your point of view.</p>

<p>While I do agree Engineering/Math/Hard Sciences degrees are better, those degrees need some serious communication classes.</p>

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OP is probably not even eighteen, considering he hopes to be MIT '16.</p>

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<p>Where do Event Planning majors fall on this list?</p>

<p>Of what precise import is my age? You merely raise such a topic because you have exhausted all other rhetorical devices. And it’s only page 3. Sad. And weren’t you just bragging about your superior communication skills? I may not be in college but I have done INTENSIVE research on this subject. </p>

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<p>Though it’s fascinatingly self-evident that you were merely being flippant, what you said proves something really important. Of course scientists can’t just render a machine to solve all the world’s problems, but every day science is getting closer to eliminating things like racism, social up-heavle, etc. In a world where everyone has access to the internet, etc., these things won’t happen. By the way, heard of a little devil called -social media- ? That’s a major engine in these revolutions happening all over Central Asia right now and it’s all thanks to computer science and engineering. Whose laughing now? </p>

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Shame, they don’t know what they’re getting into. They could have found someone much more qualified, which you, by virtue of your Medieval Studies degree, are not. Shame. EDIT: Sorry, just saw you wrote creative writing. That’s honestly not much better. LOL</p>

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Don’t delude yourself, hun - of course they were thinking of money. No one in history has ever been dedicated solely to the pursuit of “knowledge.” The truth is that in this world and this economy it’s every man for himself so everyone should try to maximize there own profits and not everyone else’s. Thats the problem with Obama’s policies. Sure money isn’t THE most important thing in life but it’s one of the only things you should consider in going to college. </p>

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No, but those are all social sciences in my book. </p>

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Look up the definition of treatise in one of your beloved libarts textbooks, mayhaps? </p>

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In an ideal society (or my ideal society) society is run by an oligarchy of engineer-kings. I say this because engineers are the most likely to have practical and unbiased solutions to problems, while liberal arts majors are too influenced by the lies there professors told them in Intro to Sociology.</p>

<p>BTW, I’m against the study of art and music too - those are fun talents but not things you should “study” in college. All the art and music majors I’ve know in life are extremely narrow-minded and lazy and cant handle basic math and even worse cant write to save there lives. Seriously if we cut all these worthless programs our country would be in a surplus.</p>

<p>^ Ugh, tell me about it, bro. I hate narrow-minded people who can’t write to save there lives also.</p>

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Yeah, not seeing how this is more extensive or in depth than a poorly-thought out essay.</p>

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Oh yeah. My friend that’s going to Julliard? Yeah, is he lazy as hell. Get this, on top of his full schedule of AP classes, he actually sits around “practicing” for 6-7 hours a day. What a lazy ■■■■■■■.</p>

<p>That is fascinatingly self-evident.</p>

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<p>It’s “importance.” Maybe you should check out one of those liberal-artsy books. I think it’s called a dictionary. </p>

<p>And no, people are bringing up your age because you’re claiming to have some kind of knowledge or ethos on this subject (or at least god forbid some real-world experience), when really you’re just some dweeby high schooler from the suburbs.</p>

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<p>Well, I beat out hundreds of engineers for the job, so I guess your point is dulled. :slight_smile: Where are you employed again, by the way? – oh, wait.</p>

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You make sweeping generalizations about what college is like. You are not in college. Ergo, it is funny. Also funny is that you claim to be going to MIT in the graduating class of 2016. A bit presumptuous, especially if this attitude displays itself in your essays.</p>

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Cue the OP trying to appear tough by claiming to be from “Jersey, yo.”</p>

<p>Don’t delude yourself, hun.</p>