<p>My son (rising hs sr) is set on Barch (Cornell ED -- there now, therefore, summer is gone (HS starts 8/11 here!) and I'm trying to help him keep up the college search and narrow down our visits this fall -- CMU, Syracuse, RPI, Penn State?).<br>
Before we totally knock out the BA/BS option, can anyone tell me the other true 4+2 programs besides Wash U St. Louis? Degree</a> Paths - School of Architecture - Washington University in St. Louis
I think Brown/RISD dual degree is out b/c freshman year is RISD design and you spend 5 years, get two undergrad degrees but still no Barch.
I understand from SoozieVT D's experience that if you major in arch at Brown, you're looking at 3-3.5 yrs to an March (I?). Is the timeline if you major in arch at say Princeton or Yale or are there other true 4+2 programs out there besides Wash U STL?
Also, any comments on Barch programs at UTex-Austin or UTenn-Knoxville (our home state)?</p>
<p>I'm not sure what you mean by timeline, but if you're talking about 4+2 an and 4+3.5 kind of programs, I might be able to help a little.
Typically 4+2 programs are ones where students majored in architecture for undergrad. The 2 years masters could be shorter or longer, depending if you go to a different school or the same school. Typically if a masters program is around 3.5 years or longer it is geared at students that haven't studied architecture intensely during their undergrad years (usually these students come from other fields or have little experience in architecture studio, and typically I believe these programs require students to take introductory art classes during undergrad). </p>
<p>Many undergraduate schools offer accelerated paths through their undergrad/graduate program, and many schools suggest that you apply to different schools for graduate. It is totally up to the graduate school for how long you will study in their program, depending on how they feel you have knowledge for entering in certain levels in their program, so it is really hard to comment on what graduate schools you will certainly spend 2 years at. (Even if you go to the same school for undergrad and grad and they offer an accelerated program they may not admit you to this if they feel that the normal route is better for you. If I remember correctly, you can kind of see this in the WUSTL path, because it takes longer to get a degree depending on if you studied architecture to the BA or BS level.)</p>
<p>I guess in the end, 4+2 isn't probably the best way to describe the BA/BS/BSAD - MArch option, because that doesn't always hold true. But anyways, I'm going to MIT next year and they are a BSAD, so "4+2" for me.</p>
<p>I may not be much help here. When my D first started college and she did indeed study architecture in a BA program, I thought that might mean 4+2 but that was not true. She has to do a MArchI program which at most schools is either 3 years, 3.5 years, or 3 years + one summer. I may be wrong on this but the students who seem to go into the MArchII track (which is two years) have either a BArch or maybe a BS in Arch, not sure. So, even though my D has an arch major for undergrad, it appears that if an arch major is a BA degree program, you have to go into the MArchI track (the longer masters degree program). My kid's classmate is heading to Harvard's MArchI program and will also have to do the longer track, even though he has done a bunch in architecture, including a year abroad in a well known London program. </p>
<p>Hey noops.....I see you are heading to MIT where my D is headed for the grad program but you are going into the undergrad one. Perhaps your paths will cross or maybe one day, she'll be a TA for you. :D She's a girl from Vermont, and if you run into her, say you know her mom from CC (she'll laugh).</p>
<p>March II is a post-professional degree- meaning you would need either a March I or a Barch-- but typically a Barch. Also, Princeton and Yale both should have good 4-2 programs, seeing as how they are at the top of the grad school list. -- From what I understand, a BA or BS in architecture "should" give you some standing in a March 1 program- but I guess sometimes that doesn't happen.</p>
<p>Tzar....perhaps a BS in Architecture would give one some standing in an MArch program. But I don't think the BA type arch degree like my D earned gives any standing in the grad programs. She got into many MArch programs and would have to stay the full length of the MArchI degree...no advanced standing. Min. of 3 years, depending on the school.</p>
<p>the time when you <em>know</em> that it will really be a 4+2 is when you stay at the same school for grad that you went to for undergrad. Unfortunately, that's not always the best thing for students- once you've been somewhere for four years, it's easy to feel like you've gotten all you can out of that school, so that's a bit of a double edged sword.</p>
<p>It really can vary. In my M.Arch class at Columia the WUSTL students had to start at the beginning even though they were very, very well prepared. The USC students were all given a year's credit so had 4+2. UVA we had one who had to do 3 years and another who didn't. (I thought the one who had to do three years was a better designer.) I think a lot depends on the personal connections between departments at different schools.</p>
<p>Maybe I’m misunderstanding your question, but it seems that many large universities have programs that continue from undergraduate to masters. Take a look at Michigan, Cinncinnati, Virginia. Northeastern, Notre Dame. Some are 4+1, some are 4+2.</p>
<p>My understanding is that the MArch (often but not always called an MArchI) is usually 3 to 3.5 years, whether your BA/BS is in architectural studies, art studio, philosophy or biology. A friend of my son's was just accepted to a top MArch program with a degree in political science.</p>
<p>You do have to fulfill the MArch program course prerequisites. These too vary, but they are likely to include some art studio, some art history, some physics and some calculus.</p>
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<p>Well, if this was prior to the last couple of years (when they added a 4 year program to the school), then the reason for that is that the USC students already had a B.Arch, so really they were doing a post-professional degree.</p>