<p>I can’t say that I have really come further in the decision. Especially with the new usatoday ranking I saw today, which highly regards Stevens institute of technology. </p>
<p>So Stevens or McGill and why please!</p>
<p>Pretend they cost the same or insignificantly different :-S </p>
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It is silly to pay attention to these rankings. Read thru their “methodology” at <a href=“http://resources.collegefactual.com/about/rankings-by-major-the-quick-version/?utm_source=usa-today&utm_medium=article&urm_campaign=top-engineering#fieldofstudy”>http://resources.collegefactual.com/about/rankings-by-major-the-quick-version/?utm_source=usa-today&utm_medium=article&urm_campaign=top-engineering#fieldofstudy</a> Doe it say anything about class size, advising system, how approachable your profs are, the type of internship programs available, etc. etc? No, it does not. IMHO those that outsource the effort to think about what they want in a college and the time it takes to uncover matching colleges to a $10 magazine (or free online article) deserve the outcome they get.</p>
<p>I read their methodology. As opposed to usnews, they did it mostly on roi. Stevens was also ranked highly by Princeton review for job placement, like 15. To me these two say that Stevens helps you get a good job bc reputation is great only as long as it helps you get a job. So mikemac I guess you’re kind of saying that you couldn’t decide for my case. Please don’t take offense to that, you just seem to be saying it’s more a personal choice</p>
<p>If you rank the job placement of just the engineering schools within larger universities, you would find most are comparable to Stevens. That is to say that engineering grads are highly employable from any accredited program. Those schools that are primarily engineering, like Stevens, will show very highly on job placement (and ROI). Larger diversified universities, like McGill, might be dragged down by other less employable majors. Bottom line, all of the “rankings” out there are dubious at best.</p>
<p>You’re definitely right chardo. I never thought of it that way. I see your thought process. Engineers are highly employed and Stevens is a school of engineers</p>
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<p>ROI for Stevens is good because it is heavy with engineering majors. Other schools that do well on the ROI measures for similar reasons include Harvey Mudd, Caltech, MIT, Colorado School or Mines, South Dakota School of Mines and Technology, New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology, and Polytechnic Institute of New York University (before it was fully merged into New York University).</p>
<p>Note that, the ROI listing at <a href=“College Education Value Rankings - PayScale 2013 College ROI Report”>http://www.payscale.com/college-education-value-2013</a> shows PINYU at #3, while NYU is at #184. Now that PINYU is fully part of NYU, the combined school’s ROI rating will likely rise from NYU’s previous ROI rating, but won’t be anywhere near PINYU’s previous ROI rating. But the school really hasn’t changed (except perhaps in financial aid – pre-merger PINYU apparently gave much better financial aid than NYU does).</p>
<p>Note that almost all of the top schools in that list are engineering heavy schools, or those few schools that are targeted by elite investment banks or consulting firms.</p>
<p>In other words, ROI by the entire school without accounting for major is a dubious measure, since major often has a much bigger effect on a student’s ROI than school does.</p>
<p>Thanks for the extra info, I have definitely lost some respect for roi rankings in that regard.</p>
<p>I hate to push but I really want to hear personal choices. If you were in my shoes that is. I understand this might be hard, but what would everyone choose? Again, costing pretty much the same. </p>
<p>Internships are important, but so is GPA. People who hire engineers do look at grades…particularly math grades…as well as the grades in various eng’g classes.</p>
<p>If you plan on working in the US, then the “name” of your school matters less. Employers aren’t going to pay you more $ because you went to UX instead of UZ. Employers pay their eng’g new hires the same.</p>
<p>However, school does matter in terms of recruiting for one’s first job out of school. Local schools (for small employers) have an obvious advantage. For non-local employers, larger schools and those well known for engineering do have some higher level of attractiveness to engineering recruiters.</p>
<p>I do plan on working in the us. I don’t see mcgills international rep being a problem for this</p>