<p>hahah. damn. well im yellow so there goes that advantage. however, i heard privates emphasize excs+ essays alot, which is why i got that Microsoft Internship and heckled my AP eng teachers to help me with my essays. Im just hoping my SAT 1 score will push me into maybe pile so they can get to my internship, recs, and essays.</p>
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Ivy Leagues don't say that it's easier for African Americans to get in than Caucasians. But would you argue that fact as well?
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<p>Hmmm. That would be news to me. You are saying that it's NOT easier for a URM to get into an Ivy than for a white or asian person? </p>
<p>I would definitely agree it's easier for a URM to get into a UC though. There was a piece in the Wall Street Journal a few years ago about an asian kid who was raised by a poor single mother who didn't get into UCLA, whereas a Mexican kid with the exact same stats did. Maybe things have changed some since then with the passage of anti-affirmative action bill for UCs in California...i dunno.</p>
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<p>What? I was saying the opposite.</p>
<p>You asked me to find "proof" that it's easier for in-state students to get into state schools. The fact is that colleges will never publish such things, just like they won't explicitly say that it's easier for URMs to get in.</p>
<p>It's easier for URMs and Caucasians to get into the UCs, but it's also easier for in-state students to get in as well.</p>
<p>So..how Bout My Chances ;d</p>
<p>You're competitive at Tufts and I think you have a great shot at getting into UCLA.</p>
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<p>Re: whether or not ED makes it easier to be accepted to Tufts --- I am guessing that that may be true. When my daughter had her interview with an alum, he told her he wished she had applied ED. It sounded like that would have made it more of a sure thing. She has excellent stats, so should be a good bet RD. Maybe Tufts is tired of the Tufts Syndrome & would prefer to be the clear first choice of applicants.</p>
<p>well that is to be expected. People all want to get into the top 20 schools, that becomes their number one priority. It is school ranking, name recognition, and the connections a school can give u that make it so much appealing. Tufts is 27 in ranking, so it is bound to be the safety school of kids who are vying for schools like Chicago and Northwestern and have the stats to get in there. Until Tufts does get into the top 20, it will not be the top choice, which is why they need 2 e.d.'s to make sure they have a set base of incoming freshman. Even myself, Tufts is probably my 3rd choice school.</p>
<p>Ok, here is my opinion about some of the things you said. I agree that the only purpose of asking What are my chances here is just to blow off energy...there's no other point.</p>
<p>Second, do NOT under any circumstances choose which school you are going to based on US News and World Report ranking. You will be miserable. Pick a school based on YOU. Not a magazine, not your friends, not your parents, not because you think it will sound more impressive when you tell your friends. Figure out what kind of people go to the schools you are looking at. Visit the school. Find out what the ATMOSPHERE and CULTURE of the school are. Do you know how many kids make the mistake of not doing this and end up being miserable and wanting to transfer? My cousin is going to transfer for the third time in 3 years.</p>
<p>For instance, even though Northwestern is ranked higher than Tufts, did you know it's actually EASIER to get into? Why would this be? Because more qualified people want to go to Tufts, due to factors that USNWR doesn't measure or give as much weight to. You have to figure out your own standard of measure. What are you interested in? Do you care about a div I football team and fraternities, or are you looking for interesting, multitalented people? For instance, a letter I got from Tufts said that they are looking for the Engineer who is also a poet. Does this sound good to you? It does to me.</p>
<p>So, yeah, get on myspace or livejournal or facebook and read about the different schools. Think about the location. So many kids think they can handle moving away and they can't and end up moving back. And forget about USNWR.</p>
<p>Lastly, I said this before, but my opinion from comparing your Stats with those that got in ED, is that you're in.</p>
<p>wow DSI LOL. you put alot of time into that thanks! :). And you're totally right, schools you go to should be based on who you are and how happy it will make. However, i think the difficult part of the college choosing is finding a school with a good balance of learning AND having fun. Such as UCSB, alot of people seem to party alot more then do anything else so it is a waste of college money. But I've also been with a girl friend for 1.5 years (shes smarter then me too!) and that also might be a factor that affects my decision seeing she will get into UCLA and apparently i have a decnet chacne too. So it will be interesting....DSI wehre do u go/want to do anyway</p>
<p>Tufts, baby!</p>
<p>BTW, I know a guy who goes to Tufts, because his GF went to NYU. Then they broke up, she left NYU and went back to CA, but he stayed at Tufts because he likes it. So ya never know where life leads you.</p>
<p>ah i c i c. well thanks for ur input i hope i get into tufts! : )</p>
<p>"For instance, even though Northwestern is ranked higher than Tufts, did you know it's actually EASIER to get into?"</p>
<p>No it isn't. NU tabulates more and different colleges (ex. school of music) in their admission statistics. Check the admission stats for the Engineering and Arts and Science schools and you'll find the admission rate below Tufts. Not a judgment. Just facts.</p>
<p>Princeton review selectivity rating:
("This rating measures how competitive admissions are at the school. This rating is determined by several institutionally-reported factors, including: the class rank, average standardized test scores, and average high school GPA of entering freshmen; the percentage of students who hail from out-of-state; and the percentage of applicants accepted.")</p>
<p>Northwestern University: 97
Tufts University: 98
UCLA: 98
Berkeley: 98
MIT: 99</p>
<p>lets close this thread. i asked Dave berry (owner of this site) he said im a reach for this school</p>
<p>"Princeton review selectivity rating:"</p>
<p>For <em>all</em> the colleges combined. You're comparing apples to oranges. If PR backed out the stats for the easier colleges to be admitted at NU, the selectivity ranking would change greatly. Same for Cornell and a myriad of other universities.</p>
<p>In addition, the PR method is extremely flawed. Just one example: out-of-state students are irrelevant for private institutions.</p>
<p>"i asked Dave berry (owner of this site)"</p>
<p>Roger Dooley owns the site :)</p>
<p>Sorry, I think your loigic is flawed.</p>
<p>1) Of course you have to look at the school as a whole. No one compares the individual schools within a school to each other. That would be pointless and devolve down to an incredibly nit-picky argument. If you want to go on this path, count me out. ("Oh but I was comparing this ones School of Engineering to that ones School of Music.")</p>
<p>2) Looking at the percentage of students accepted does not denote selectivity or how difficult a school is to get into. Some schools get MUCH more qualified applicants than others. The PR rating takes this into account.</p>
<p>3) Out of state students certainly do matter in private schools, and nice try ignoring the fact that SAT, GPA, etc etc are all considered and that's just one part of the formula.</p>
<p>iono whatever lol</p>
<p>Out of state students usually have a severe disadvantage applying to private schools, especially regionally prestigious ones such as Tufts and Rice.</p>
<p>By the way, Tufts is ranked 15th on the USNews selectivity rankings. Other factors such as peer-assessment brings Tufts down on the overall rankings every year.</p>