Tufts or Columbia?

<p>Okay guys, so happily I got into Tufts and surprisingly I got into Columbia (mostly because I was waitlisted at Barnard). I was also admitted into Vassar, Wesleyan, and Wellesley, but decided Tufts and Columbia are the strongest of the bunch.</p>

<p>COLUMBIA
PROS: ivy league, like the artsy type of student
CONS: its about 20 minutes from home and in new york city (not sure i want to go to college in the city because i don't feel like its a true collegiate experience). also the lack of undergrad focus.</p>

<p>TUFTS
PROS: boston is fab, GORGEOUS campus, very undergrad oriented.
CONS: way cold, students are more preppy/sporty.</p>

<p>Discuss. I'm a bit suspect of going to Columbia because I really don't want to be in New York City because its very very close to home and because I heard its not a good undergrad experience. But then again, it is ivy, and also Columbia students are more artsy, more my kind of people.</p>

<p>Discuss!</p>

<p>Your pros/cons for either school sound on-target except that I wouldn't underestimate the amount of preppy/athletic types at a Division 1 school like Columbia... I also wouldn't say there isn't a big artsy contingent at Tufts, given its liberal-arts-college-ish feel.</p>

<p>I don't think Boston is significantly colder than NY. It's not that bad, anyways. I might just be saying that because I've lived here 18 years, though.</p>

<p>Also, I doubt that the Tufts population is much "preppier" than Columbia's.</p>

<p>My impression of Tufts was that is was more sporty, but I guess that's only because I stayed with my a friend's older sister was on the swim team when I visited. I'll judge for myself when I visit...but need feedback from yall!</p>

<p>Tufts has a lot of artsy kids. this was actually one of the things that surprised me most about tufts when i came here. they're nice artsy kids though, very approachable and involved on campus. one of my good friends from high school is at columbia...she likes it, but she has had trouble accepting the lack of campus community. i met her friends when i visited last december, and i found them very snobby and materialistic. obviously this does not reflect the whole student body though!</p>

<p>Tufts? sporty? Do we even have a football team??
Since you keep talking about artsy students, are you thinking about majoring in art or art history? if so, there are plenty of School of the Museum of Fine Arts kids on campus, and you can also take courses at the SMFA (Tufts also has studio courses). Tufts also has the art Haus and the crafts house. The one big pro about Columbia is that it's way closer to all the Chelsea art galleries</p>

<p>You definitely had a biased view -- I don't know that I ever met sporty kids when I was at Tufts. :)</p>

<p>There are some sporty kids, granted - we <em>do</em> have sports teams. I know, right? But I wouldn't say they dominate the campus by any means.</p>

<p>Tufts actually has a very large athlete to student ratio, given the small size of the school and the numerous varsity, JV, and club sports available to everyone.</p>

<p>anitsirhc90, if I had to make the decision between Tufts and Columbia, it would come down to academics vs location/daily life. Columbia will award you a more prestigious degree after you graduate, but I truly believe that you'll have a better overall college experience in the suburbs of Boston than in the city of New York.</p>

<p>im an admitted ED2 tufts student in china, havent visited either of these two colleges, but i think your choice (esp. about "ivy league")may depend on whether you want to find a job right after college. in my opinion, if you want to continue into a graduate school, choose tufts, and go for an ivy school later!:)</p>

<p>maybe more about the study you wanna, Colu is more focused and proude of his core-courses while Tufts is emphaisizing its education as some kind of Peer-Peer exchange (ExColllege for instance) and Non-academic Faculty exchange with student (such as tons of forums and speech).
Also, Colu maybe more business-oriented while Tufts is always proud of its international focus and international horizon</p>

<p>PS: I think artsy and sporty are some kind of pseudo-topic since you will always find a niche you want at any top school that their Admissions put great effort to recruit diversified group of students. ^_^</p>

<p>I have personal experience at most of the colleges mentioned. My son is at Tufts and I'd say Tufts is and isn't sporty. He is an athlete and was worried before going that Tufts wouldn't be enthused enough about sports but loves his team and athletic experience there and seems to be friends with a lot of athletes, among other types. 2) I started college at NYU, transferred to Wellesley (for the campus), got a doctorate at Columbia and taught at Columbia College while in grad school. For good and for ill, life at NYC colleges is absolutely NYC life, not very campus oriented. 3) As someone at a financial institution in NY, I'd say ivy league kids have more chances to get in the door for an interview for an internship or job, but that advantage over Tufts disappears the minute they walk in the door. I wrote elsewhere on this site about my recent experience hiring an associate, whittling down to two candidates from Columbia, one from Dartmouth and one from Tufts, and picking the Tufts candidate. My son just got an internship at one of the top investment banks for the summer. Maybe he had fewer chances than ivy league peers? I don't know, but this bank came to Tufts to do internship interviews.</p>

<p>Anything else re: this?</p>

<p>My mom started working at Columbia after I was waitlisted there, so if I'd transferred, I could have gone for free. I didn't want to transfer for a few reasons.</p>

<p>One was that I didn't want to be in the city. I figured I'd have my whole life to live and work in New York. Secondly, being so close to home was an issue for me, but not because I want to escape my family or any such nonsense: it's damn expensive to live in NYC. I'm technically close enough to commute. So if I lived there, I'd feel guilty about spending so much money to live close to home, and if I commuted, I'd feel like I was missing out on my college experience. My friend did this for a while at NYU and eventually realized he barely knew anyone in his school and got campus housing for his junior year. But besides that, for ME, the city would have been too much, and distracted me from my studies. Though it'd have been nice to grab lunch with my mom every week! Also, Columbia being in the city means, TO ME (not necessarily true) that potentially a lot of the people who are attracted to it are the types who are like "I NEED TO BE IN MANHATTAN! NEW YORK STATE OF MIND! TIMES SQUARE! CITY THAT NEVER SLEEPS! MANHATTAN IS THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE AND I NEVER LEAVE THE ISLAND!" Having grown up outside of Manhattan I find that attitude annoying and tiresome. lol.</p>

<p>Secondly, the Core Curriculum was a turnoff for me. I felt as though the strong requirements were forcing me into taking classes I wasn't interested in. Why take another math class that I'm not interested in if I what I really want to learn about is IR and Econ? Of course, this appeals to some people - they're interested in multiple disciplines, or hope to be well-rounded, or like having a school where there's such a common base of knowledge among the students.</p>

<p>Third, I had the opportunity to take free summer classes at Columbia for 2 years. Now, I will QUALIFY this by saying that people who take summer classes through the School of Continuing Education or the School of Int'l and Public Affairs are NOT a representative sample of Columbia undergrads. There were some randos. And people who take summer classes are different from people who get jobs - for example, they're usually more financially secure. But the point is, while I liked my professors (who were a grad student and an LIU professor, btw), I didn't really jive with my classmates so much. Class discussions annoyed me, b/c I felt they were all trying to impress one another with their points of view. "Well, I read Jeffrey Sachs and I think THIS," and then "Well I was in his CLASS, and HE said," and it was all kind of windbaggy and went nowhere. I came back to Tufts set on doing EPIIC because of this - I felt like they were just posturing, and had no intention of really using their knowledge to practically implement solutions in the world. I think at Tufts that's a big theme - learning in order to take it and put it to good use. And fast. (Also, now I, too, have read Sachs, and think he's a moron. LOL.)</p>

<p>BUT LIKE I SAID, this experience is most probably NOT representative of a Columbia experience. And one thing you'll get at Columbia is access to a lot of resources, just b/c it's such a moneyed, well-known school. Maybe Tufts has good IR classes and professors, but at Columbia you can get an internship at the UN. Stuff like that.</p>

<p>Hope that helps you make your decision! And please, you should also email Columbia admissions people or students to ask for their views, b/c I'm sure they'll be more accurate.</p>

<p>thanks blurinka!</p>

<p>Guess what guys: I chose Tufts over Columbia! Sent my deposit in just now. I intended to talk it over with my parents for a bit this morning before making my final decision, it turned into a such a long discussion that I stayed home from school today!!! So Tufts '12 it is!</p>

<p>Congratulations!!!! See you in the Fall! </p>

<p>TUFTS CLASS OF 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>

<p>Congrts, anitshrc90! You'll have a great time at Tufts. Welcome to the Jumbo family :)</p>

<p>Excellent decision.</p>

<p>Cheers! (And Welcome!)</p>

<p>Brace yourself for four years of absolute awesomeness.</p>