<p>^You know IvyGrad, I don’t agree with what Harry is saying. He is making gross a generalization of a school using a few unsubstantiated examples. But if you are going to respond, do it with class. Don’t drag my school’s name to the mud to make a silly point. You are not improving the condescending image of Ivy League’s students. If you and Harry want to debate each other about Penn, do it elsewhere. This thread is about Tufts syndrome, not Penn’s reputation.</p>
<p>Hey reddune, im sorry that i hurt your feelings on an internet blog but you should probably take it up with your fellow BC brethren for spewing garbage.</p>
<p>^Apology accepted. My feelings were not hurt by a childish exchange. Boosterism, whether done by BC students or an Ivy Leaguer, if done out of malice against other institutions, is unconstructive and makes the posters look like 14-year-old. Furthermore, Harry did not compare BC and Penn together nor did he say BC was better than Penn. He simply ranted against Penn–a rant I believe unjustified. I think you were overly defensive and dragged BC in for no apparent reason. Finally, I don’t know if Harry is even a BC student.</p>
<p>I am not BC bretheren. And the only reason I mentioned Penn at all was the ridiculous statement that Penn is light years ahead of BC - it just isn’t true. Cornell isn’t what it once was either. </p>
<p>And Ivygrad, you do know that the ivy league is a sports league right? Because Penn plays Harvard in football doesn’t mean Penn is on Harvard’s level academically.</p>
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<p>you had no point to begin with, perhaps you should have reestablished it in this thread?</p>
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<p>and how do you figure Harvard, Yale, and Penn are light years ahead of BC? Is it the quality of education that really matters or is it the actually job placement after college? you make it seem as if all ivy grads fare better in job placement than BC students when that simply is not true. No one in this thread is bashing the rep of Penn. Harry is simply mixing his experience with Penn students with your comment of Penn. are you able to substantiate your claim of Harvard, Yale, and Penn being light years ahead of BC? Perhaps you are able to, but you have not done so yet, so it’s pointless making these claims when you have nothing to back it up with.</p>
<p>The quality of education is superior at Penn, Harvard, and Yale relative to BC. In no shape or form can you say that any majors at BC beats the likes of the aforementioned schools above. Miragemage are you sure he’s not bashing Penn? you may want to brush up on your critical reading analysis. </p>
<p>Harry, Penn IS light years away from BC. Just look at the student body, research capabilites, and faculty at Penn, it blows BC away by a large margin. BC’s best program is arguably CSOM. Can you really tell me that they can compete with the likes of Wharton?</p>
<p>Actually, I did some research. You wanted specifics on Penn being overrated so here you go. Penn and Cornell are tied for the lowest academic rating of all of the universities that participate in Ivy League sports per Princeton Review (go ahead and disagree but Princeton review does these for their livlihood). The academics ratings for the ivy league (out a a possible 100):</p>
<p>Harvard - 99
Princeton - 98
Yale - 96
Dartmouth - 96
Columbia - 96
Brown - 91
Cornell - 89
UPenn - 89</p>
<p>For comparision sake, BC has an academic rating of 88. So if Penn is light years ahead of BC, then Brown is twice as many light years ahead of Penn. </p>
<p>It’s funny that the leading source of college information confirms what I posted before. Penn is the Michigan State of the Ivies. It is quite a few steps below the elite ivies. I have no connection to BC so there is no agenda here. These numbers are all directly from Princeton Review. </p>
<p>Just to put things in perspective here are a few other universities/colleges in Pennsylvania with higher academic ratings than Penn. I limited the list to colleges in the State of Pennsylvania because the list would otherwise be too long. </p>
<p>Carnegie Mellon - 99
Haverford - 98
Bryn Mawr College - 94
Ursinus College - 91
Swarthmore College - 91
Bucknell - 91</p>
<p>Here are a few others off of the top of my head: GEORGETOWN, Notre Dame, Stanford, MIT, Middlebury, Amherst, Williams, CIT, Duke, UNC, UVA, Holy Cross and on and on.</p>
<p>I stand by my statement, Penn is overrated! It’s sports affiliation with Harvard and Princeton can’t make up for the reality of the situation. Penn has great graduate programs but there are many better undergraduate colleges out there.</p>
<p>Keep looking down your nose if you want but the reality is that Penn is about on par with BC academically from an undergraduate perspective.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should read my statements closer. I just said no one is bashing Penn’s rep. Harry is bashing the students at Penn not the school’s rep. For undergraduate studies, I can say with complete confidence that BC students can compete with the students in Wharton. Surely students attend these schools with the thought of a great education, which is easily attainable at both of these schools; however, job placement is what matters in the end. Students from BC land top jobs in the financial world. Many students end up working for companies such as Goldman Sachs and Barclays, two of the leading financial institutions in the world. To say that schools the likes of Penn are light years ahead of BC is a gross exaggeration.</p>
<p>To substantiate Harry’s argument, I almost 100% sure that the ivy league was created as a sports league. While they are known to be for academics, the root of the ivy league was to gather a group of schools to play sports.</p>
<p>MirageMage are you completely oblivious to reading comprehension? Read harry’s first line “Penn is the Michigan State of the ivy league”. Also your comparison to Wharton and CSOM is largely false and laughable. You cannot compare the two or even mention them in the same sentence. BC is considered a NON TARGET SCHOOL for BULGE BRACKETS BUDDY. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about and this thread has gotten to the point of misinformation and foolishness.</p>
<p>I suppose it’s all a matter of interpretation. I interpreted his statement as Penn is a good school, but just doesn’t compare with the other ivy league schools. For you to put Penn in the same bracket with Harvard and Yale is laughable. </p>
<p>As for bulge brackets, you’re only concentrating on one aspect of finance. While it is true that IBanking is one of the more prestigious jobs one can have, it’s not the only one. I do not see why you would pull something like that out when these institutions don’t solely rely on IBanking. </p>
<p>Is there a reason why you’re so angered by this thread? Is there a reason why you ■■■■■ these forums? As for these questions, I have no answer to them.</p>
<p>lol miragemage I wish you the best.</p>
<p>Miragemage understands what I am saying. Penn is a good school. However, Penn is not light years ahead of BC as you stated. In fact, a neutral service (Princeton review) rates their academics as virtually equivalent. </p>
<p>To reiterate, the Ivy League is a sports league. It is composed of some of the oldest private colleges in the country that have large endowments but there is not magical ivy education that some clueless people refer to - each institution is independant and each is different. (i.e. Penn is large and has a State School feel and an emphasis on graduate programs while Princeton and Dartmouth have a feel more like a liberal arts college and no medical or law school). Going to Penn does not associate you with Harvard despite the efforts of their alums constantly bringing up the common football league. In fact there are numerous colleges that are considered academically superior (by the snobs that obsess over this) to some of the colleges that compete in the ivy league. I won’t bore you with a long list of these schools.</p>
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<p>What BC’s detractors seem to miss is that it isn’t TRYING to be like an Ivy League school, in the same way a place like Tufts is (this remark has nothing to do with the Tufts syndrome, only the notion that a place like Tufts seems to have very little to distinguish it from the Ivies).</p>
<p>BC offers several significant differences that a sane student could conceivably opt for over even the best Ivies. For example, BC takes its varsity sports seriously, and joined the ACC because of this. If a student wants bigtime athletics to be part of his/her college and alumni experience, then BC offers something that none of the Ivies do.</p>
<p>Likewise, the whole Jesuit influence, which has nothing to do with accepting religious dognma, and everything to do with approaching all topics with an awareness of concern for other people and for making things better. The program for the underprepared that Reddune mentioned is classic Jesuit, and I’m sure at no point did they screen those applicants to ensure they were Catholic, and at no point in their training was there an attempt to convert them to Catholicism.</p>
<p>Also, when you get right down to claiming one college is “better” than another, it would seem to be relevant to ask exactly what is it that the faculty at the “better” college knows that the faculty at the “lesser” college can’t quite get its arms around.</p>
<p>I would concur with Schmaltz. BC is not an Ivy-wannabe. It just wants to be the best Catholic institution, i.e., beat out Notre Dame and Georgetown.</p>
<p>“It just wants to be the best Catholic institution, i.e., beat out Notre Dame and Georgetown.”</p>
<p>they’ve got their work cut out for them.</p>
<p>Georgetown is the one with some serious Ivy envy. They are almost taking themselves out of the running for top Catholic U. in the country through thier own passion for secularization.</p>
<p>BC’s campus and student body are advancing significantly almost year to year. People seem so reluctatnt to modify their perceptions of ranking. The recent US News ranking had Tufts, Brandeis, and BC all tied in “peer assessment.” This would have been unthinkable just a decade ago.</p>
<p>Schmaltz, I disagree with the ivy envy part but there is definately a trend toward secularization at Georgetown. People have mixed feelings about it.</p>
<p>“What BC’s detractors seem to miss is that it isn’t TRYING to be like an Ivy League school, in the same way a place like Tufts is”---- Actually according to Kaplan and newsweek, BC is considered as one of the “NEW IVIES” with schools like Tufts, Williams etc. [America’s</a> 25 New Elite ‘Ivies’ | Newsweek Best High Schools | Newsweek.com](<a href=“http://www.newsweek.com/id/39401]America’s”>America's 25 New Elite 'Ivies' - Newsweek)</p>
<p>So, although there was a huge difference between Tufts and BC about a decade ago, today they seem to be on the same academic caliber. In fact if you ask someone in Boston, they would rather go to BC than Tufts. (gasp!!! what?)</p>
<p>BC is not a new Ivy. The league has not expanded. Actually BC is in the new ACC.</p>