Tufts VS Amherst (social scene)

HELP! I am applying ED and I need to figure out which one to apply to. The main thing I am concerned is social scene. I don’t want to go to a school where lax bros run the world and everyone else feels uncomfortable. This is what I think so far:

Tufts
-Great location (right outside of Boston)
-Good size for if I get bored of a friend group or want to meet new people
-A lot of people have been telling me that greek life is big especially for freshman (which is weird because it was almost banned)
-sexual assault seems to be more of a problem here
-I have heard that people are really privileged at Tufts which I don’t like

Amherst
-smaller school (not sure if I like)
-Quaint location, a good college town
-5 college thing which is really cool
-not as many options for majors (I might be interested in International Relations)
-I’ve heard that because Amherst is so small, the athletes are really divided from everyone else
-I’m not sure if because it is small it will have a social hierarchy

PLEASE HELP

also are professors close with students at either?

First, in any school the quality of relationships with professors are mostly dependent on the efforts of the student. Professors at both schools are very accessible.

Amherst: Fun college town. 5 college consortium increases available classes over many similar smaller schools. Superb academics and small classes. Sports important to the social scene. Small student population, which means you “know everybody” - for better or worse.

Tufts: Never heard anyone feel Greek life is a huge dominant force at Tufts, even the Greeks. Yes frosh go to more frat parties than upperclassmen, but there are four million other things to do if you are not into the parties. More global citizen artsy culture than Amherst, and tremendous access to Boston and the hipstery Davis Square.

Not sure why you think there is a higher rate of sexual assault at Tufts. This is not a particularly bigger problem at either school than it is anywhere - although a case at Amherst recently got a lot of publicity. Probably an even amount of "privilege"at each school, by which I assume you mean kids from wealthy families who went to private schools, etc. By the way, even privileged kids have to be smart, hard-working and interesting to get into either of these selective institutions.

Don’t apply ED if you are not sure you want to go to that particular school - unless of course you are a recruited athlete and need to go into the ED round to preserve your hook.

There are proportionately a lot more athletes at Amherst. The US Dept of Education has the following numbers:

Amherst: 563 varsity athletes out of 1,795 undergrads, or 31.3%
Tufts: 722 varsity athletes out of 5,196 undergrads, or 13.9%
https://ope.ed.gov/athletics/#/institution/search

So if you are concerned about an environment with lots of jocks, Amherst would not be a good choice. Note, however, that the jocks at Amherst are likely to be much smarter and better socialized than the ones you may have encountered in high school.

Both schools have a lot of privileged students. A recent NYTimes analysis put the percentage of students from the Top 1% at 18.3% for Tufts, and at 21.1% at Amherst. On the other hand, Amherst is wealthier than Tufts (on a per-student basis) and can offer better financial aid to lower-income students. The same analysis found that Amherst drew 24.4% of students from the Bottom 60%. This may not seem like a lot, but the comparable number for Tufts was only 11.8%.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/18/upshot/some-colleges-have-more-students-from-the-top-1-percent-than-the-bottom-60.html

As noted above, it’s not a good idea to apply to any school ED unless you are positive that you want to go there. Doesn’t sound like you feel that way about either school.

My kid has been very close to most of her profs at Amherst. I can’t speak to what is up at Tufts. She’s very happy socially, is not an athlete but has close friends who are (club) athletes and is friendly with some varsity athletes too, also friends with Arts House people, and the group she got close to as a first year in her dorm.

I’m a junior at Amherst, so I can’t speak for Tufts (although I do know several people at Amherst who chose Amherst over Tufts). It is smaller, which I like. There is a bit of an athlete/non-athlete divide, which I’ve written about before, but I am incredibly happy here as a non-athlete. Lax bros might run the party scene, but definitely not the world. I wouldn’t say there’s a social hierarchy either.

I’m close with my professors. I’ve gone to several professors’ houses for dinner and taken a few out with TYPO (Amherst pays for a small group of students to take a professor out to dinner locally). I also got a job as a research assistant starting freshman year, and I’ve been working with that professor ever since.

I’m a freshman at Tufts, and there is nothing I don’t love about the school! It’s funny, too, that I know several classmates who chose Tufts over Amherst (and Williams, Bowdoin, Middlebury and Ivies now that I think about it). The location is great; I find myself going into Boston most weekends and just enjoying the city, not to mention the plethora of college kids there. Everyone is so collaborative here, and there is a great amount of intermingling between athletes and non-athletes (I’m friends with students on the swimming team, football team, baseball team, basketball team, tennis team, ski team and more, despite myself not being an athlete). The size is perfect for me – I toured Amherst and found it to be way too small, so I didn’t end up applying there.

All my professors know me by name, and most of them actually ask their students to call them by their first name to create less of a dichotomy between the student-teacher relationship. My classes are all small, and even the intro classes are about the size of a regular high school class (my language and English classes being 12-14 kids).

About the Greek life thing – I don’t know where you’re hearing that from, but it is totally false. Only about 10-15% of the student body participates in Greek life, and it is not the central function for social life/events on campus. And don’t get me wrong… if you didn’t want to have anything to do with Greek life (which most students here evidently don’t, given the statistics), you will still find more than enough parties and social events to attend with friends.

And about the students here being privileged – that was actually a big concern of mine too, and it has yet to come back to my mind since starting here. Everyone is so humble and does not flaunt their money around, even if they have it. Everyone comes from such different backgrounds, heritages, cultures, etc. It is true that the kids here are, on average, much more affluent than at other schools, but by no means does it mean they’re ostentatious about it. I couldn’t even start to guess the socioeconomic statuses of my friends – they are all just amazing people with whom I love to spend time. Affluence of the students does not bring a divide to campus. If you are worried that being low income means being ostracized or cliques forming due to socioeconomic status, you could not be more wrong. On top of that, Tufts provides amazing aid (for the most part). Rumor is that Tufts is trying to eventually make tuition free (and not even too far in the future).

So far, sexual assault has not been a problem. Everyone here is very considerate of one another, and since Tufts is so PC, people make an effort – and make sure to – ask for affirmative consent before initiating in any sort of sexual activity. And everyone looks out for one another if they think something might not be quite right. Every freshman is also required to go to a detailed affirmative consent presentation at the beginning of each year. Tufts really makes an effort to address sexual assault and consent.

I’d just like to finish by saying the students at Tufts are some of the most amicable, passionate, creative, and intelligent individuals I have met thus far in my life. They strive every day to make Tufts a great place to be, and I can truly say I already feel at home. The vibe I get here is different from every other school I have visited/have friends at. When having conversations with other kids from schools nearby (Harvard, MIT, NEU, BU), I’ve found them to be much less engaging than the conversations I had when meeting kids at Tufts (and still continue to have). Tufts relies heavily on its supplements to bring in an already established class of brilliant, humorous, quirky kids, and I could not be happier with the choice I made to attend Tufts.

Hope this will help with your decision!! PM me if you have any other questions!

The data from each school’s Clery report (required for title IX compliance) in 2014 (latest date reported for Tufts) does not support the perception that sexual assault is more of a problem at Tufts. In fact it strongly suggests the opposite.

Sex Offenses, forcible Amherst 9, Tufts 14
Sex offenses, non-forcible Amherst 3, Tufts 0
Undergrad Students Amherst 1800, Tufts 5200
% forcible Amherst .50, Tufts .23
% non-forcible Amherst .17, Tufts 0
% total Amherst .67, Tufts .23

The Tufts data is from the Medford/Somerville Campus. Tufts’ downtown campus (Medical, Dental, Nutrition and Biomed grad schools) reported an additional 11 forcible offenses. The Grafton campus (Vet school) reported no offenses.

Student Services at both schools encourage professor/student interaction

Tufts funds a SPIRIT Program that supports

  1. Professors taking students for coffee
  2. Professors taking students to lunch
  3. Students taking professors to lunch
  4. Special events
    https://students.tufts.edu/academic-advice-and-support/information/faculty/get-more-involved-students/spirit-fund

Amherst funds a TYPO Program (the link for generating requests appears to be broken), but further searching reveals another page that indicates that the program supports:

  1. Groups of 3-5 students taking a professor to lunch
    https://www.amherst.edu/offices/student-affairs/typo
    https://www.amherst.edu/offices/student-affairs/typo/-new-page-%20

The Times Higher Education/ Wall Street Journal performed a student survey as part of their College Ranking for 2017,
One of the ranking criteria is “student engagement” which includes “interaction with faculty” along with three other areas. (see definition). I have extracted the ranking parameters for all the NESCAC schools and some other schools in the northeast for context. Tufts is near the top of the NESCAC at 16.3 while Amherst is near the bottom at 15.2. Dartmouth is near the top of the Ivy at 16.8 while Princeton is near the bottom of the Ivy at 15.2. Note that the value for Tufts is only 7.2% greater than the value for Amherst, so I would consider this a small difference that may be within the margin of error of the measurement.

…International… Resources…Engagement…Outcome…Environment…Overall
8… Princeton University…11… …28.3… 15.2 …39.4… 6.7…89.6
16…Dartmouth College…8.5… 26.7…'…16.8…38.6… 6.0… 88.1

22 Williams College…7.1…24.6… 15.7…37.7… 6.6…84.5
23… Amherst College…9.4… 24.3… 15.2 …37.2…7.4… 84.1
27 …Tufts University…7.8… 26.4… 16.3…33.1…5.9… 81.7
30… Wellesley College…11.0…24.4… 16.5…32.9…7.2…81.1
36… Middlebury College…10.0…23.7…16.8… 33.0… 4.9…78.5
44… Bowdoin College… 4.6…24.0…16.4…31.9… 5.1… 77.4
45… Wesleyan University… 8.8…24.2… 16.0… 30.8…6.2… 77.3
60… Hamilton College…4.4… 23.3… 16.6… 28.1… 4.7… 72.8
63 …Boston College…6.7…17.6… 15.8… 33.5… 4.9…71.8
65…Trinity College…7.9…23.1… 15.6… 27.0… 6.0… 71.7
66 …Colby College…7.9…22.8…16.1…27.8…4.5… 71.3
88… College of the Holy Cross…0.9… 21.7… 15.6… 28.3… 3.4… 69.0
89…Brandeis University…13.1… 21.8…15.5… 25.7… 5.9… 68.9
96… Connecticut College…5.2 … 22.4… 15.3… 25.6…4.7… 68.1
102…Bates College…6.4 …22.6 …16.3… 24.3… 4.6… 67.7
114…Babson College… 27.2 … 15.8… 15.5… 29.2… 6.2… 66.7

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/sites/default/files/breaking_news_files/wsj-the-college-rankings-2017-results.pdf

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/wall-street-journaltimes-higher-education-college-rankings-2018-methodology

From your description of what you’re looking for, Tufts sounds like the better fit for you. You should visit before you ED (if you have not already) to be sure you really like it.

Both are terrific schools but they are quite different environments.

I don’t have much faith in a ranking that has a blatant error in it. Middlebury doesn’t have 4,069 undergrads–more like 2,500.

Have you visited both schools?

Tufts has the Fletcher School of law and Diplomacy, one of , if not the, best school in international Relations .

@suzyQ7 yes visited both